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crazy4espresso
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crazy4espresso
Joined: 18 Jan 2008
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Location: Toronto
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Espresso: Silvia, La Pavoni...
Grinder: Pharos
Posted Wed Mar 13, 2013, 9:26am
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

Sorry, should have clarified a little more.  Put the $200 in an upgrade fund, as recommended by some already, and don't bother with the PID for now.
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DaninMaryland
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Joined: 3 Jan 2013
Posts: 79
Location: US
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: V2 Silvia
Grinder: Vario-W
Posted Wed Mar 13, 2013, 9:57am
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

crazy4espresso Said:

Sorry, should have clarified a little more.  Put the $200 in an upgrade fund, as recommended by some already, and don't bother with the PID for now.

Posted March 13, 2013 link

going to get the PID.  i have no plans for any upgrades to HX, DB for a long long time.  want the ability to change brew temps, etc.  thanks for feedback
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D4F
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Joined: 15 Mar 2012
Posts: 2,038
Location: USA
Expertise: I like coffee

Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID
Grinder: Baratza Forte-AP
Posted Wed Mar 13, 2013, 2:49pm
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

DaninMaryland Said:

if i go with the PID'ing the Silvia, do you think it is worth it to pay an extra $35 for steam control?  the single control is only $150, so not as much as i thought.

THoughts?

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I started with a PID for Gaggia Classic and did not use steam on the controller. I had the 1/32 DIN SYL 1512 and used PID for brew/idle temperature and the alarm to add heat with pump run.  I explain that as to why I did not have steam run by the controller.  I realized that the steam control is convenient and can actually give more steam power than allowing the steam stat to control.  I then bought a 1/16 DIN PID with PID + 2 alarms.  Yes, I think steam is a great addition.  You can do similar by surfing the steam temperature, but again not convenient.  If you are going to pay for a PID then pay for steam control also. Steam pressure is fairly directly related to temperature.  The OEM stat has a wide range of deadband, or large temperature swing.  The steam alarm temperature can be set 1 degree F deadband and will oscillate around that.  the mean steam temperature and pressure will be higher with PID, unless you are really good surfing and measure the temperature.  See chart for what 20F difference in mean temperature makes in pressure.

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You can save about half of that by DIY, and the difference is obtaining supplies making the wires, already discussed.  You install either way.  You probably get most of the value back in a few years if you sell. Up the price for the PID or remove the PID and reuse or sell.

 
D4F also at
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tinytot2
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Espresso: NS Oscar
Grinder: Vario W
Drip: Breville YouBrew
Posted Wed Mar 13, 2013, 3:57pm
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

DaninMaryland Said:

huh?  when i read all the time about how much better/easier the Silvia with PID and how much it is always recommended on this forum, not sure why i seem to be getting negative feedback on this thread (not necessarily from you, just in general)...also, since when is spending money on upgrades/bling to machines frowned upon on this forum, lol!

just trying to make things easier and better for myself

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DaninMaryland Said:

going to get the PID.  i have no plans for any upgrades to HX, DB for a long long time.  want the ability to change brew temps, etc.  thanks for feedback

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Seems like you didn't need help on this one because you actually had your mind made up before you even posted your question!  

Enjoy!
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fredk01
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Espresso: Saeco Aroma
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Posted Wed Mar 13, 2013, 4:07pm
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

tinytot2 Said:

Seems like you didn't need help on this one because you actually had your mind made up before you even posted your question!  

Enjoy!

Posted March 13, 2013 link

Sometimes you just need to hear yourself say it (or see it in print) to realize your mind is made up.
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MJJ
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Posts: 37
Location: Montreal
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Rancilio Silvia PID
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Drip: Hario V60
Posted Wed Mar 13, 2013, 7:53pm
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

I have the Auber PID with steam control and pre-infusion and have no regrets. I felt like it enabled me to bump things up to the next level with the new found control. This model has the shot timer too, I got the best price direct from Auber's website. I like having the timer and steam control but they aren't really necessary. With the non-steam control model you will still be able to see what the steam temperature is so you can choose when to start steaming. But in the long run the extra $75 to have steam control, timed pre-infusion and timed shots was worth it for me. It's fun to have those extra functions and if you plan on using your Silvia for a few more years you won't notice the $75.
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DaninMaryland
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Location: US
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Espresso: V2 Silvia
Grinder: Vario-W
Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013, 4:19am
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

tinytot2 Said:

Seems like you didn't need help on this one because you actually had your mind made up before you even posted your question!  

Posted March 13, 2013 link

not true, i had my mind up i wanted PID control, but like i said wanted input to add to my existing machine or buy a new machine with it already on it.

thanks for all that provided productive input.
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DaninMaryland
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Location: US
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Espresso: V2 Silvia
Grinder: Vario-W
Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013, 4:19am
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

MJJ Said:

I have the Auber PID with steam control and pre-infusion and have no regrets. I felt like it enabled me to bump things up to the next level with the new found control. This model has the shot timer too, I got the best price direct from Auber's website. I like having the timer and steam control but they aren't really necessary. With the non-steam control model you will still be able to see what the steam temperature is so you can choose when to start steaming. But in the long run the extra $75 to have steam control, timed pre-infusion and timed shots was worth it for me. It's fun to have those extra functions and if you plan on using your Silvia for a few more years you won't notice the $75.

Posted March 13, 2013 link

great info, thanks!
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tinytot2
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Location: Wisconsin
Expertise: I like coffee

Espresso: NS Oscar
Grinder: Vario W
Drip: Breville YouBrew
Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013, 4:38am
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

fredk01 Said:

Sometimes you just need to hear yourself say it (or see it in print) to realize your mind is made up.

Posted March 13, 2013 link

This is all I meant.  Didn't mean it to come across snarky.  Sorry.
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DaninMaryland
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Espresso: V2 Silvia
Grinder: Vario-W
Posted Thu Mar 14, 2013, 5:18am
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

tinytot2 Said:

This is all I meant.  Didn't mean it to come across snarky.  Sorry.

Posted March 14, 2013 link

No worries!  thanks for input!
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