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DaninMaryland
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Posted Tue Mar 12, 2013, 8:05am
Subject: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

stuck in a dilema.  i currently have a V2 Silvia.  For the $200 i would spend to PID her, i could upgrade to a CC1.  Which would you do?

i currently have no issues with the Silvia for the volume/types of drinks i make, so capacity or more steaming is not the issue.  I just want to have a machine with PID and dont know if updating my current machine or buying a new CC1 is better.
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Posted Tue Mar 12, 2013, 8:24am
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

DaninMaryland Said:

I currently have no issues with the Silvia for the volume/types of drinks i make, so capacity or more steaming is not the issue.

Posted March 12, 2013 link

OK.

DaninMaryland Said:

I just want to have a machine with PID . . .

Posted March 12, 2013 link

Why?

I don't know if updating your current machine or buying a CC@ is better, either -- not without knowing why (despite having no issues) you want to change things.

 
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D4F
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Posted Tue Mar 12, 2013, 9:14am
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

If you like DIY and can solder or crimp wires, then you can have PID brew temperature and steam control for about $100, perhaps $75 if you already have some supplies.  That may not help solve your dilemma however :)

 
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DaninMaryland
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Posted Tue Mar 12, 2013, 9:17am
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

D4F Said:

If you like DIY and can solder or crimp wires, then you can have PID brew temperature and steam control for about $100, perhaps $75 if you already have some supplies.  That may not help solve your dilemma however :)

Posted March 12, 2013 link

definetly interested, can you PM the link/source?  i have only seen the PID kits and those are around $200 or so.  definetly handy and can handle the job.
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D4F
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic PID
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Posted Tue Mar 12, 2013, 10:19am
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

Auber PID controller SYL 1512, RTD sensor for your Silvia check for year appropriate, and SSR.  Decide what you want to do with the PID, cut a hole or mount in a box.  I favor the Auber controller, but you can shop supplies otherwise.  Auber has the best box also, if you want that.  SSR available on Ebay and others, and you can do a cheap K thermocouple but attachment is not as easy.  K thermocouple is about $2 - $3 vs $20= and you can save on the SSR.  We can talk wire and connectors if you get that far :)

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Sensor is likely

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SSR

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optional box

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You get to make this/these, not the sensor but more wires and a second SSR or 5v up to 15v DC power supply, or old cell phone or headset charger

http://www.flickr.com/photos/81832954%40N00/2330218796

Power supply

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You can read this thread, mostly page 17 on.  It is Gaggia and has different controller and an added function that you could do, but not tried that I know of on Silvia.  The exchange between Brinal and I covers an install.

Click Here (coffeegeek.com)

Tasseloff on the forum did a Silvia PID noted a few pages prior on the above thread and on his thread

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machinemods/591130

That should give you a good idea of what is involved  :)  Let me know if interested.

 
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DaninMaryland
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Posted Tue Mar 12, 2013, 12:31pm
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

awesome, thanks!  some solid DIY stuff there, thanks so much for taking the time to piece all that together.  Will definetly be reading over that tonight or tomorrow!
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Posted Tue Mar 12, 2013, 1:14pm
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

Silvia wiring diagram in color:
 http://www.frcndigital.com/coffee/silviawire.html
I also have an "interactive" Silvia wiring diagram showing how to wire a PID:
 http://www.frcndigital.com/coffee/Silvia/SilviaWorks.html

Be aware that over time Rancilio might have changed wire colors, but this should still give you a good start.

 
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fredk01
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Posted Tue Mar 12, 2013, 1:35pm
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

FWIW, the CC1 gives you a few more features like preinfusion and timed shots.  I guess it depends what you are looking for.
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Posted Tue Mar 12, 2013, 1:56pm
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

DaninMaryland Said:

i currently have no issues with the Silvia for the volume/types of drinks i make, so capacity or more steaming is not the issue.  I just want to have a machine with PID and dont know if updating my current machine or buying a new CC1 is better.

Posted March 12, 2013 link

you just got the thing, right?  Why don't you spend some time getting comfortable with technique, etc before ditching her for a new girl?  Sure, put on the PID if you feel the need, but why waste money?  If you PID Silvia, when you're ready to do a real upgrade into something more serious, you'll be able to sell her for more than you paid, even factoring the PID kit.  People are selling PID Silvias for $500 or more.  I'm not trying to kick the CC1.  In fact, if I were in the market for a travel machine right now, it would be my prime target, but as you said, you're plenty happy with the Silvia, other than the PID.

 
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CMIN
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Posted Tue Mar 12, 2013, 2:38pm
Subject: Re: PID my Silvia, or go CC1?
 

If you already own the Silvia, may as well PID it. CC1 is great, the built in PID and separate thermoblock for steaming which makes switching back ad forth fast are the two main advantages over the Silvia if looking at buying either "new" since having a company add the PID new puts it into entry H/X territory. But if you already own the Silvia no point in "upgrading" to the CC1 and going through the hassle of the selling the Silvia to do so.... if you were thinking of upgrading you may as well sell the Silvia, and budget for an entry H/X or used one which will be a way bigger upgrade then the CC1.

Since your brand new to it, if you feel comfortable doing it yourself, do the PID, get comfy with the machine and your use (shots/milk drinks) and then go from there and see if it'll suffice for your needs, or if you want to go to a more capable machine like an entry h/x.
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