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MatP
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Posted Mon Mar 11, 2013, 8:31am
Subject: Re: ESE capable machine: Ascaso Uno Pro vs Gaggia. Thoughts?
 

tinytot2 Said:

I don't know anything about the Uno, but yes, the Gaggia is definitely a better machine than the Aroma.  

Fact is, you want to easily switch from pressurized to nonpressurized easily without having to screw on a pod adapter.  The Aroma allows you to do that.  The Gaggia doesn't if I remember correctly.  If the Gaggia is as simple as changing the portafilter, then get the Gaggia.

Remember that your pod / pressurized shots will not taste as good as the nonpressurized ones.

Posted March 11, 2013 link

Both pressurized and standard baskets come with the Gaggia Classic. You can easily switch from one another by changing the basket (and add a little plastic thingy below the pressurized basket). But if I had to switch daily, I would get another portafilter.

That being said, I have never tried the pressurized basket.

KJCaufield,

I understand you are not into playing around with a grinder, but once it is set to correct grind, it is quite easy to use a regular, unpressurized basket, especially if your expectations are set by the pressurized coffee. Even with a poor tamping, the fact that you use freshly ground and freshly roasted coffee will give you great results. I also notice you want decaf. You have several options of low cafeine coffee out there. One that come in mind is Speed Bump from Deep Cello.

Cheers

MatP
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tinytot2
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Posted Mon Mar 11, 2013, 8:54am
Subject: Re: ESE capable machine: Ascaso Uno Pro vs Gaggia. Thoughts?
 

MatP Said:

Both pressurized and standard baskets come with the Gaggia Classic. You can easily switch from one another by changing the basket (and add a little plastic thingy below the pressurized basket). But if I had to switch daily, I would get another portafilter.

MatP

Posted March 11, 2013 link

Thanks for the info!  I must have confused it with the Silvia.

I agree that it would be much easier to buy an additional portafilter so you wouldn't have to keep switching out the basket.
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Posted Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:17am
Subject: Re: ESE capable machine: Ascaso Uno Pro vs Gaggia. Thoughts?
 

Darkow: Correct, the Silvia and the Oscar (and a few others) use a conversion systems that screws into the brew head so then they can do only ese pods. At that point the convenience of using either or is gone :/ Still eyeballing that Oscar though... It seems most people eventually upgrade from a single boiler to a heat exchange at some point...

MattP: Thank you for the decaf coffee suggestion. I will track some down :)
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Posted Mon Mar 11, 2013, 10:29am
Subject: Re: ESE capable machine: Ascaso Uno Pro vs Gaggia. Thoughts?
 

I am not sorry I skipped the single boiler stage.  I am a foodie and a good cook, I did not like the idea of temp surfing.   Just like biting the bullet and getting a good stand mixer rather than fight the cheap hand helds I wanted the machine to do the work for me. I got a light commercial machine that did the stable temp stuff for me I knew would last a long time and steam like crazy.

As a foodie I expect you will get over the pods pretty quickly when you taste what you can get.  I did not drink espresso before I started this and my palate has grown really fast.

I suggest you skip the single boiler or get used aroma or the like so you will not lose so much when you resell it.

 
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Posted Mon Mar 11, 2013, 12:02pm
Subject: Re: ESE capable machine: Ascaso Uno Pro vs Gaggia. Thoughts?
 

Coffeenoob: So you have an Oscar and a VarioW then? :)
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Posted Mon Mar 11, 2013, 12:30pm
Subject: Re: ESE capable machine: Ascaso Uno Pro vs Gaggia. Thoughts?
 

Yes, the price was right on Oscar and I upgraded him a bit after a year.  About 150$ in parts (less than most PIDs people mod the single boilers with) and 6 hours of work. (Time includes complete tear down and descale.) I was making very good espresso before with no problems.  Now he is on a timer, I have to flush less and steaming is easier and faster with the handle not the knob.  He is now practically a Musica in all but looks.

If I had bought new I might have gotten a different machine but for the money I spent I don't think I could have done better.

The grinder is flawless and easy to repeat settings.  (I really like that)  I don't grind into the bin.  I put a command strip on the sensor and put a stainless sauce dish on that and put a yogurt cup in that and grind into the yogurt cup.  It lets me stir the grinds and less hassle to pour into the portafilter. (I have made a portafilter funnel out of a cut yogurt cup. )

 
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Posted Mon Mar 11, 2013, 12:38pm
Subject: Re: ESE capable machine: Ascaso Uno Pro vs Gaggia. Thoughts?
 

1st line has a few machines that I might have gotten new over Oscar because of cost vs features. Like La Nuova Era Cuadra or Bezzera BZ02

But Oscar is pretty easy to find used and is built like a tank.  I really like the upgrades that I did to it, so if you can get a new machine with those you are better off.

 
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KJCaufield
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Posted Mon Mar 11, 2013, 6:13pm
Subject: Re: ESE capable machine: Ascaso Uno Pro vs Gaggia. Thoughts?
 

Thanks Coffeenoobie.

But brain full again though :) Maybe we should get an intro machine until we learn more? Too. Many. Options ;b
I really wish we had a coffee store out here where we could go look at machines and talk to someone :/.

At least we have the grinder narrowed in LOL.
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Posted Mon Mar 11, 2013, 7:11pm
Subject: Re: ESE capable machine: Ascaso Uno Pro vs Gaggia. Thoughts?
 

A used aroma will not be much out of pocket.

 
Coffeenoobie

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Posted Mon Mar 11, 2013, 7:23pm
Subject: Re: ESE capable machine: Ascaso Uno Pro vs Gaggia. Thoughts?
 

Possibly this, as not marked sold

Click Here (coffeegeek.com)

Probably about the average for PID Gaggia Classic when available.  There also may be one without PID for less, if not sold.

 
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