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JustinB
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013, 9:53am
Subject: Machine to pair with a Super Jolly
 

Hi all,
I've been into coffee for a few years.  At one point I thought Dunkin Donuts was good coffee!  I like going to restaurant supply stores in search of good deals and found my Bunn Axiom DV3 for $150 as well as my Bunn LPG grinder for $100.  I know some might feel it's a bit extreme for home use but I digress.  I recently bought a Zojirushi Zutto along with a Baratza Encore for regular use and relegated the Bunn equipment to PTO nights.

Anyways, I found a used red Super Jolly on eBay and bought that knowing I would eventually buy a machine to pair it with.  My original plan was a Rancilio Silvia because I am a glutton for punishment or possibly a Gaggia Classic.  I was about to buy Miss Silvia when I came across a Rancilio on Craig's list for $500.  I went to go take a look at it but it wasn't a Silvia.  It was an Epocha E 2 group.  I bought it but can't find any info about them and I'm not sure it's a good machine for a beginner.  I warmed it up and tried a shot with some Black Cat beans I bought.  It tastes better than Starbucks does, but that doesn't say much.

I'm not sure if I should keep the Epocha or find a Silvia or comparable.  Oh, the machine came with a dozen of the new style portafilters.

Thanks!
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JPF
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:01am
Subject: Re: Machine to pair with a Super Jolly
 

LOL, if you have the space and power requirements to fit an Epoca 2 group, and it's in good condition, you'd be crazy not to keep it.  You're talking a full-on $6,000 commercial espresso machine vs. the Silvia, which although is well made is a finicky single boiler machine which is considered by many overpriced vs. the competition.

EDIT:  You're not going to have an easier time pulling a good shot than with the Epoca.  In fact, if you're just starting out, Silvia is going to offer you a lot of trouble and frustration until you get your groove.

 
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IMAWriter
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:58pm
Subject: Re: Machine to pair with a Super Jolly
 

JustinB Said:

Hi all,
I've been into coffee for a few years.  At one point I thought Dunkin Donuts was good coffee!  I like going to restaurant supply stores in search of good deals and found my Bunn Axiom DV3 for $150 as well as my Bunn LPG grinder for $100.  I know some might feel it's a bit extreme for home use but I digress.  I recently bought a Zojirushi Zutto along with a Baratza Encore for regular use and relegated the Bunn equipment to PTO nights.

Anyways, I found a used red Super Jolly on eBay and bought that knowing I would eventually buy a machine to pair it with.  My original plan was a Rancilio Silvia because I am a glutton for punishment or possibly a Gaggia Classic.  I was about to buy Miss Silvia when I came across a Rancilio on Craig's list for $500.  I went to go take a look at it but it wasn't a Silvia.  It was an Epocha E 2 group.  I bought it but can't find any info about them and I'm not sure it's a good machine for a beginner.  I warmed it up and tried a shot with some Black Cat beans I bought.  It tastes better than Starbucks does, but that doesn't say much.

I'm not sure if I should keep the Epocha or find a Silvia or comparable.  Oh, the machine came with a dozen of the new style portafilters.

Thanks!

Posted March 7, 2013 link

I'm sorry, but unless you post a photo of your machine, I find this a but hard to swallow. I assume this is a 110-120, not the 220?
If you're on the level, WHY would you EVER want to buy a Silvia instead?
A head scratcher, for sure.

 
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JustinB
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013, 1:58pm
Subject: Re: Machine to pair with a Super Jolly
 

It's a 220 model.  I wired it in where my Bunn coffee maker was and hooked it up to the water connection too.

I bought it from someone who was getting rid of the cheating ex's toys.  Hence the overly low price.  Here are a couple others for sale reasonably.

Links removed.

I was asking whether the machine was any good or not.  The one group model brand new is 2k which is right in the middle of the prosumer models that all of you tend to buy.  I figured that if I didn't see any on here, that they might not be worth buying.  I also had concerns over whether it was bad to only use it for a few shots a day and whether it should be left on or shut off.  That's all.  Thanks for everyone's time.
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IMAWriter
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Roaster: Behmor 1600, CO/UFO combo
Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013, 2:06pm
Subject: Re: Machine to pair with a Super Jolly
 

JustinB Said:

It's a 220 model.  I wired it in where my Bunn coffee maker was and hooked it up to the water connection too.

I bought it from someone who was getting rid of the cheating ex's toys.  Hence the overly low price.  Here are a couple others for sale reasonably.



I was asking whether the machine was any good or not.  The one group model brand new is 2k which is right in the middle of the prosumer models that all of you tend to buy.  I figured that if I didn't see any on here, that they might not be worth buying.  I also had concerns over whether it was bad to only use it for a few shots a day and whether it should be left on or shut off.  That's all.  Thanks for everyone's time.

Posted March 7, 2013 link

Would you please remove the links. Posting outside sales are against CG rules.

 
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IMAWriter
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Espresso: Bezzera Strega
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Vac Pot: Adcraft SS, Yama 8 cup
Drip: Brazen, Kalita, Chemex,...
Roaster: Behmor 1600, CO/UFO combo
Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013, 2:10pm
Subject: Re: Machine to pair with a Super Jolly
 

Rancillio's prosumer models are just not that popular here.
Not enough stainless, and lacking an E61 group, which IS very popular here.

 
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Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013, 4:05pm
Subject: Re: Machine to pair with a Super Jolly
 

IMAWriter Said:

Rancillio's prosumer models are just not that popular here.
Not enough stainless, and lacking an E61 group, which IS very popular here.

Posted March 7, 2013 link

Prosumer? The Epoca is a commercial machine - you drink not what the machine looks like but what it creates - which is also very popular here...

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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IMAWriter
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Location: Brentwood, TN
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Espresso: Bezzera Strega
Grinder: Forte, OE Pharos,...
Vac Pot: Adcraft SS, Yama 8 cup
Drip: Brazen, Kalita, Chemex,...
Roaster: Behmor 1600, CO/UFO combo
Posted Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:03pm
Subject: Re: Machine to pair with a Super Jolly
 

EricBNC Said:

Prosumer? The Epoca is a commercial machine - you drink not what the machine looks like but what it creates - which is also very popular here...

Posted March 7, 2013 link

Sorry, I meant to same commercial, as in the sense they would be in a cafe, but not in someone's home, like a more "blingy" looking machine.

 
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Posted Fri Mar 8, 2013, 4:33am
Subject: Re: Machine to pair with a Super Jolly
 

No to stirr the pot, but I understood the intent of the post and agree so I did not comment on it,:-)

 
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Anything I post is personal opinion and is only worth as much as anyone else's personal opinion. YMMV!

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takeshi
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Posted Fri Mar 8, 2013, 5:39pm
Subject: Re: Machine to pair with a Super Jolly
 

JustinB Said:

I'm not sure if I should keep the Epocha or find a Silvia or comparable.

Posted March 7, 2013 link

If you really want a Silvia I'll happily trade.  That should answer your question.

JPF Said:

In fact, if you're just starting out, Silvia is going to offer you a lot of trouble and frustration until you get your groove.

Posted March 7, 2013 link

^ This.  Not sure why the OP seems to think that the Silvia is the machine to get.  Do more research and consider the dates on what you're reading.
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