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AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:38pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

carz07 Said:

hi alex, 1hour is a pretty long time. perhaps you need to have it checked. I havent really took record of the time but around 5mins or something depending on its existing heat. Like in the morning i pull a shot and then turn the machine off but after an hour or few minutes i turn it on to pull another, it starts its heat up base on the existing temp so its faster. But never an hour even from total overnight cooldown

Posted February 23, 2013 link

Sorry if that is confusing.  The machine heats up, according to the display, in about 5 minutes.  I have tried shots that way.  I have also let the machine stay heated up (around an hour) to make sure everything is very warm.  I'm not sure it if makes a difference, though - I was wondering if the group head gets warm enough in just five minutes.
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MerleApAmber
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Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:47pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

AlexKilpatrick Said:

Can anyone shed some light about the required time to "properly" heat up the BDB?  I generally will pull a shot as soon as the machine is warmed up according to the display - 5 minutes or so.  I have also made shots when the machine had warmed up for an hour.  I don't think I can tell the difference, but I haven't done any exhaustive tests.

Does anyone else warm the machine up for a longer time?

Posted February 23, 2013 link

Alex,
I"ve had some warm and cold starts and may-hap the fact I tend to draw a double through the portafilter and into a cup I'm going to warm or shot jigger tends to stabilize things so I believe I'm getting good runs. I also have the device set to start the timer about 1/2 to an hour ahead of when I normally stumble out of bed - and again draw the dbl to warm the external pieces of the equation up.

If I'm drawing steam for milk drinks I'll take a 4 oz cup of water from the tap and 'steam' it to roiling bubbles to warm that latte cup up - giving the steam wand a good drying heat up.

So, I got nothing about "properly" Alex.  The fact you've got the option of setting a keep warm cycle which allows the brew group to drop as far as what 150? for upto 4 hours might give you an idea of what the mfg thinks. But if you're looking to repeatable temperatures you're really talking to the endurance of the equipment to draw shot after shot and steam milk jug after jug...

I'd be interested to see where this aspect of the game goes here on the forum too :)
-Chris
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Park_Ridge_Dave
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 6:34am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

MerleApAmber Said:

Alex,
I"ve had some warm and cold starts and may-hap the fact I tend to draw a double through the portafilter and into a cup I'm going to warm or shot jigger tends to stabilize things so I believe I'm getting good runs. I also have the device set to start the timer about 1/2 to an hour ahead of when I normally stumble out of bed - and again draw the dbl to warm the external pieces of the equation up.

If I'm drawing steam for milk drinks I'll take a 4 oz cup of water from the tap and 'steam' it to roiling bubbles to warm that latte cup up - giving the steam wand a good drying heat up.

So, I got nothing about "properly" Alex.  The fact you've got the option of setting a keep warm cycle which allows the brew group to drop as far as what 150? for upto 4 hours might give you an idea of what the mfg thinks. But if you're looking to repeatable temperatures you're really talking to the endurance of the equipment to draw shot after shot and steam milk jug after jug...

I'd be interested to see where this aspect of the game goes here on the forum too :)
-Chris

Posted February 23, 2013 link

I, too,draw the hot water through the PF to try and ensure that the head components are up to temp. Then I wipe it with a "rag" (actually, I use paper towels lol) before dosing.

I am going to try the steam "trick" the next time I make a "milk" drink.

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Dave

 
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germantownrob
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 7:24am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

Allowing a machine to warm so that all parts along the water path are thermally stable is going to give you the best shot otherwise those parts are cooling the brew water. If you want the best posiable espresso this is a must, I am not saying I haven't rushed this process with some flushes and got a very passable pull but then again when I rush things it is always mixed with milk. Plenty of threads out there with Scace numbers to prove a machine allowed to warm to thermal stability will have much more predictable stable brew temps then a machine that is in the process of still becoming thermally stable, what is the point of having a PID controlled brew temp if you are not going to get what you want.
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Metatron
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 7:58am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

The BDB boilers will be up to temperature 5 minutes or so after turn on. The group, portafilter and non-boiler parts will not be up to temp. If you want to pull a shot at this time, you should pull one or two blank shots to warm the group and PF.

At ten minutes or so from turn on, I believe everything is pretty much stabilized. I always make sure the PF is up to temp by either leaving it in the group or pulling a warming flush.

If you do a warming flush, always dry the PF otherwise you will get channeling.
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Park_Ridge_Dave
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:08am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

Metatron Said:

The BDB boilers will be up to temperature 5 minutes or so after turn on. The group, portafilter and non-boiler parts will not be up to temp. If you want to pull a shot at this time, you should pull one or two blank shots to warm the group and PF.

At ten minutes or so from turn on, I believe everything is pretty much stabilized. I always make sure the PF is up to temp by either leaving it in the group or pulling a warming flush.

If you do a warming flush, always dry the PF otherwise you will get channeling.

Posted February 24, 2013 link

Here's a question that just "crossed my mind".

Do you run the risk of "harming" the PF seal in the group head if you leave the PF "in place" when the machine is not in use (compression of the seal)?

I usually take mine off the unit after I clean it (the wiggle and flush with the blind). Then, I re-install it in place when I turn the machine on allowing it to heat up even before I "flush" it.

What do the rest of you do?

Cheers,

Dave

 
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MerleApAmber
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 10:30am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

I don't know about harm.. but one could extend the observation of short term pressure on the way the gasket seals after having the pf loosely placed. I have experience placing the PF on the group head through a couple of days of use - again just twisting it around to lightly snug. I believe I'm seeing something of a pouring lip form after having let the components sit this way. Makes it easier to see the PF rotate out under pressure and I think I've seen more grounds show up at that area of the PF rim when I remove it for dunk and clean.

Now, if one were to go to where it says LOCK, this might avoid that entire problem - but - could necessitate replacement of the gasket more often as you'd be keeping it under compression and heat. Silicone seals at food plants need to be replaced due to wear; generally we accept the premise as home users.  How often results from our experience, or, our own O.C.D.  :)

Again, and with a nod toward Rob W, it depends upon what your experience and devotion to the Muse demand.

-Chris
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michaelgo
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 11:22am
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dagoat Said:

Espresso itself is almost completely subjective.  It is also full of variables (which is why some of us weigh our doses and extractions, and use the AWESOME temperature control of the BDB... to eliminate three of them).  

Posted February 23, 2013 link

I am of the weigh and time set so do try to eliminate as many variables as possible.  Peter, still waiting for your visit to Rancho. LOL

Thanks all for the blonding explanation, it clears a few things up for me.  My crema is mottled in color so I think technically, it's good.  I'll try the no crema approach and see how that works.  But I do love the machine and have started playing with temp controls as well, dropped my morning shot from 201 (roaster recommendation) to 199 this morning and yum was the result.

Michael
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AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 2:19pm
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Park_Ridge_Dave Said:

Do you run the risk of "harming" the PF seal in the group head if you leave the PF "in place" when the machine is not in use (compression of the seal)?

Posted February 24, 2013 link

I remember reading in the coffeesnobs forum that the BDB was designed with seals that were under pressure all the time.  Phil recommended leaving the portafilter in 24/7.  It won't harm anything, and it helps make sure everything is as warm as possible.
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mariog7
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Posted Sun Feb 24, 2013, 4:24pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

Hello, All.

I am highly considering a BDB, but it looks like there are many quality issues.  Has anyone had their machine for more than 6 mos without problems?  And what is the warranty?

Thanks.
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