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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 12:58pm
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tinytot2 Said:

Agreed, but isn't Baratza manufactured in China (Taiwan)?

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China's the world's leading country in manufacturing these days, so boycotting Chinese goods would leave us without much choice for appliances, electronics, tools, and machines.

 
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 1:00pm
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tinytot2 Said:

Agreed, but isn't Baratza manufactured in China (Taiwan)?

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From what I hear Taiwanese products are made to higher standards than the made in china. Not sure about baratza, but I will be checking that and if so, not buying it.

Labor in Taiwan cost more due to stringent labor laws set up to protect workers and guarantee a safe work place. Labor laws is lax in China so companies exploit such and hire cheap, less skilled and less knowledgeable workers. Result is less consistency in quality in Made in China products.

Giants Bicycle is an example. The higher end products are still produced in the Taiwan plants. Cheap models and lower end products are made in China plants. Giants wanted to make sure their higher end models is worth its cost.
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 1:04pm
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BubbaDude Said:

China's the world's leading country in manufacturing these days, so boycotting Chinese goods would leave us without much choice for appliances, electronics, tools, and machines.

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But in this case, there are other choices such as Italy and Spain. If you look hard enough you will find..
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 1:09pm
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tinytot2 Said:

Agreed, but isn't Baratza manufactured in China (Taiwan)?

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Baratza:
Made in Taiwan; burrs made in Italy.
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 1:13pm
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Mazzer:

The whole process of manufacture is carried out with advanced technologies and strict quality controls in the 7000 sq. meters large factory located in Gardigiano di Scorze (Venice).
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 1:17pm
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cuznvin Said:

Mazzer:

The whole process of manufacture is carried out with advanced technologies and strict quality controls in the 7000 sq. meters large factory located in Gardigiano di Scorze (Venice).

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Thanks for all the info!
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 1:47pm
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cuznvin Said:

It would be nice if they decide to make the new versions someplace other than China.

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I can't see any way they would do this.  They are largely trying to compete on capability/$  They have a lot of experience on mass production, which they are leveraging to keep the costs for the BDB down.  I know many folks here would frown on mass production, but lots of high-quality things are mass-produced in China (iPods, for example).  Mass production is always going to be cheaper than hand-made because of economies of scale.   Mass production is not necessarily poor quality, nor is hand-made automatically good quality.  The BDB issues that have surfaced so far seem to be design defects that ended up being an issue after a year of operation.  I haven't seen anything that looks like it was poorly skilled labor.

As far as the labor situation in China, I don't know what the real story is.  There is a ton of propaganda on both sides, and I am sure Chinese laborers don't have the same protections as US workers.  However, just blindly boycotting things from China is going to end up with a lot of factory workers going back to a peasant level existence.  There has to be a better way to resolve the labor issues than just boycotting a whole country.
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 1:53pm
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Im more concerned with the factory workers in the US that have no jobs then I am about the chinese factory workers going to back to a peasant level existence. I for one would rather pay a little more if they were made elsewhere...
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 2:12pm
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cuznvin Said:

Im more concerned with the factory workers in the US that have no jobs then I am about the chinese factory workers going to back to a peasant level existence. I for one would rather pay a little more if they were made elsewhere...

Posted February 20, 2013 link

How many espresso machines do American factory workers make?

 
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Posted Wed Feb 20, 2013, 2:14pm
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How many espresso machines do American factory workers make?[

We were discussing factory workers and products , not espresso machines in particular. We all have our own opinions and this is mine as yours is to choose the BDB.
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