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BubbaDude
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:22pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

joatmon Said:

I noticed where a GS/3 owner is about to sell it after obtaining an L1.   Simple and effective still makes sense.  Now, I must pick up my slide-rule and get back to work.

Posted February 19, 2013 link

GS/3 has some serious design defects from what I've read here - like the fact that you can kill a $400 circuit board by over-filling the tank. That's not an indictment of electronics, just one mistake in their deployment.

Even toasters have fuzzy logic controllers these days, it shouldn't be this hard to drag coffee makers into the 21st century.

 
"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:37pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

BubbaDude Said:

GS/3 has some serious design defects from what I've read here - like the fact that you can kill a $400 circuit board by over-filling the tank. That's not an indictment of electronics, just one mistake in their deployment.

Even toasters have fuzzy logic controllers these days, it shouldn't be this hard to drag coffee makers into the 21st century.

Posted February 19, 2013 link

Why try to over engineer something by adding all kinds of fancy bells and whistles? You're just asking for something to break down.  Espresso machines are hot water delivery devices, not nuclear reactors.  
Speaking of toasters, I recently bought a modern, good looking "Professional" model with a whole bunch of buttons and programs, but does it perform where it counts?, toasting bread? NO.  I routinely have to set the program to run twice, even 3 times with some breads.  On the other hand we have an old school Titan of a toaster at work with only one knob, where if you exceed the medium setting, you're turning your bread into ashes.  I set off a smoke show awhile back in the kitchen, lol.
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 12:41pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

crazy4espresso Said:

Why try to over engineer something by adding all kinds of fancy bells and whistles? You're just asking for something to break down.

Posted February 19, 2013 link

You're not going to stop electricity, dude, the people have all been brainwashed.

 
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 1:01pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

As Cuzvin said I have to go back again, not sure when I can take another half day off. But other than the noise the machine works very nicely, I was able to pull some nice shots even with the Bottomless Pertafilter.
When I go back to the guy i think I will get the option to get an Alex Duetto 3, but then I am sure headaches will come with that machine as well. I have have looked up on the net but there is not many new  reviews on the Alex3 not the R58.
as I Mentioned the only things I do not like about the Alex are:
-The cup clearance is way to low
-Machine is too big
- Heat up time is much longer
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 1:33pm
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BubbaDude
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 1:39pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

joatmon Said:

We're just trying to point out that less elegant solutions to pushing hot water through a bed of ground coffee may result in a more pleasant long term solution.

Posted February 19, 2013 link

I've made coffee in a tin can on a wood fire, but I wouldn't do that as an everyday routine.

But look, dude, whatever floats your boat. We all have different needs, different tastes, and different expectations.

 
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 1:47pm
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Wasn't the R58 recently pulled from some shelves for Quality Control issues?
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 1:48pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

tinytot2 Said:

Wasn't the R58 recently pulled from some shelves for Quality Control issues?

Posted February 19, 2013 link

Chris coffee stopped selling it for awhile. Clive coffee still isnt selling it and WLL dropped it from their inventory....
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 1:52pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

joatmon Said:

Richard,

We're not the "bad" guys here.  We're just trying to point out that less elegant solutions to pushing hot water through a bed of ground coffee may result in a more pleasant long term solution.  My old machine has a manual fill boiler.  About once every week, I activate a fill valve for a minute of so.  I don't need a computer to tell me when to "clean" the machine.  Remove five screws, lift out piston, scour piston, push out screen, clean screen, lube seals, reassemble.  Takes 10 minutes.

You know, if La Marzocco can't get the electronics right, what are the odds that a company that specializes in toasters and panini makers will?

I hope you have a better experience with your next electronic marvel.

Jack

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Nothing takes only 10 minutes.  With the obvious exception of great sex.

 
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Posted Tue Feb 19, 2013, 2:43pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

darkow Said:

Wasn't the R58 recently pulled from some shelves for Quality Control issues?



Yes, Let's not also forget the Baratza grinder issues.

WS
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