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mariog7
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Espresso: Quickmill Vetrano
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 8:13am
Subject: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

Hello, all.

I have a Quick Mill Vetrano that is a year old.  I am considering a dual boiler machine for the temperature stability and was considering the BDB for all the other cool tech features. I could probably sell the Vetrano and pick up a BDB for a wash.  But do you think this would be a step back in other aspects, such as durability (plastic vs metal, etc).

Just curious about your opinions.   Thank you!
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tdifraia
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Espresso: QM67
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 9:10am
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

I think you would be better off spending a bit more on a QM 67 by Quickmill. The QM 67 seems reasonably priced for a dual Boiler, dual PID and has Quickmills reputation behind it. I think in the long run you will actually save money, due to the reliability differences.

mariog7 Said:

Hello, all.

I have a Quick Mill Vetrano that is a year old.  I am considering a dual boiler machine for the temperature stability and was considering the BDB for all the other cool tech features. I could probably sell the Vetrano and pick up a BDB for a wash.  But do you think this would be a step back in other aspects, such as durability (plastic vs metal, etc).

Just curious about your opinions.   Thank you!

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ikold
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 9:26am
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

Not sure if this is the right thread to post this in. But I've got a Breville Dual Boiler and just got the VST basket for it. I removed the plastic insert and have inserted the VST porta filter. I'm measuring the correct 18g's of grounds (using Red Bird Espresso roas). I don't seem to be getting any pressure with this load (like 1 bar).

Am I doing something wrong ?
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AlexKilpatrick
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Location: Austin

Espresso: Breville Dual Boiler
Grinder: Bairtiza Vario
Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:26am
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

tdifraia Said:

I think you would be better off spending a bit more on a QM 67 by Quickmill. The QM 67 seems reasonably priced for a dual Boiler, dual PID and has Quickmills reputation behind it. I think in the long run you will actually save money, due to the reliability differences.

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You're talking about $700 more as a "bit"?

The reliability problems of the BDB have been really minor - no more than any machine IMHO.  And, more importantly, Breviile has been great about standing behind the machine and replacing/repairing it.  

For the OP, there are several threads here about the BDB.  You should read through them and see some of the debates, both pro and con.  You are going to get a lot more information there than you can get from this thread.

The QM67 is definitely prettier, though.  I think Breville went for the more conventional home appliance look instead of the super-shiny italian look.
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Iluvdabean
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:36am
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

Ah the question that always causes such debate. Why such debate? Well the reason I think it does is because
right now the BDB can match the comparable more expensive Italian machines shot for shot in quality shot and consistency. Yes and it
costs a boatload less money. This always brings angst to the Italian camp and so the thread ends up being way to long,way to mean and way to confusing.
I have been thinking this over and I have arrived at my own conclusions. Here goes:

The BDB will make good espresso equal to that of all of its rivals.
The BDB at this point has no long track record like its more expensive rivals.This isnt a plus or minus argument because it is as of yet unproven so we factor it as an unknown yet have to note it.
The BDB has come from a maker that in the past has had issues with build quality.
The BDB costs so much less you could almost by two and keep one as a spare in case the other one died.
The BDB uses a different scheme within its system to heat water and deliver the hot pressurized water to the grind than the majority of Italian machines.
The BDB relies heavy on electronics.
The BDB uses gadgets like hanging magnetic tamper and tool drawer which seems gimmicky.  

     
The Italian made rivals cost more than the BDB.
The Italian machines have a long track record and have a known high level of build quality.
The Italian companies are the pioneers and originators in espresso machines and technology.
The Italian machines are less proprietary and more mainstream with a very wide base of parts and people who make a living keeping them running into the future.
The Italian machines own the image brand of fine espresso machines.

So when people ask which is the better machine for right now I say the Italian made machines own that,period. Its really not even debatable.
Yet if ten years from now the BDB users are on the same machine and cranking out the same quality shots then there needs to be
and probably will be some serious discussion as to which machine is better. A machine really is equal to the sum total of its design,build quality,
and parts all added up. You really cant factor money into the equation if you are honestly going to consider the question, unless of course a
more expensive machine fails to deliver the goods. Which for the most time isnt the way it is and adds credence to the old adage ,you get what you pay for.

So to me at this point I have to give BDB some slack because it can make quality shots. Yet the question still remains and is unanswered,will it be doing that
ten years from now. There are so many ten,fifteen, twenty year old Italian machines still running that it isnt funny.How many BDB's are you going to go through
in twenty years? As much as economics drives planned obsolescence and is a consideration, there are many who want to pay more,can pay more and want to invest in a long time
relationship with one espresso machine.
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AlexKilpatrick
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Espresso: Breville Dual Boiler
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:16am
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

Iluvdabean Said:

So when people ask which is the better machine for right now I say the Italian made machines own that,period. Its really not even debatable.

Posted February 17, 2013 link

You posted a great summary of the key points and then you say it is not even debatable?  I think it is very debatable, which is what makes this so interesting.

Is a GS/3 6X better than the BDB (it costs about 6x as much)?
With technology changing, do you want the same machine over 20 years?
What is the value of the fact that the italian makers originated the technology?  Does it mean they understand it better?  Or is it stagnant tech that hasn't changes in 20 years?
What is the value of the design compared to value of functionality?
What is the risk/reward ratio for taking a chance on the BDB?
Has anyone done a blind taste test between the BDB and higher-end machines?

Lots of interesting questions to debate.
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:17am
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

Nice post Steve!
I can't see anything to take issue with.

I think that there is still a widely accepted mistaken believe that a DB is "better or higher status" than a HX, likely because they cost more and if I can get a "better" machine for "less" that is an attractive lure..

TECH will not take the place of skills "super auto anyone?" But tech can help the learning curve.

Either machine design will make great espresso when properly operated and fed quality beans. Personal preference as to how they work and what fits you is what should guide you to your decision.

 
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Wayne P.
Anything I post is personal opinion and is only worth as much as anyone else's personal opinion. YMMV!

Feed the newbs, starve the trolls and above all enjoy what you drink!
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MerleApAmber
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:21am
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

Machine is now for sale on eBay.

Click Here (www.ebay.com)

Good luck!(buyer beware and all that)

> From the thread hosted here; http://coffeegeek.com/forums/members/buysell/608977 Mint Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL PLUS EXTRAS
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mariog7
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Espresso: Quickmill Vetrano
Grinder: Vario
Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:23am
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

Thanks, guys!!!

Anyone know why this one is for sale?
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MerleApAmber
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 11:25am
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

sorry I didn't provide the link back with the first post...  :(
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