calblacksmith Said:

Who cares?
Right now it works fairly well, the doubters will say fairly freely but how long will it do so? For sure not as long as a more "traditional" or most Italian machines will.

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calblacksmith Said:

From what I have observed, the most vocal proponents of the BDB seem to be more fans of the machine and defend it along those lines rather having a dispassionate point of view and discuss the merits of both the pro and con points.

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calblacksmith Said:

There are however, many design compromised choices made in it and merely pointing them out should not be taken as a threat. Just saying... aYMMV!

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AlexKilpatrick Said:

What are basing this on?  You say "For sure"  I assume you have done some sort of engineering analysis of the components?  Can you elaborate on what you mean by "fairly well"?


From what I can tell, the proponents of the Italian machines are much more passionate and emotional in their arguments.  I say the machine has X,Y and Z, same as the high-end machines and the proponents of the Italian machines say that doesn't matter because...  Italian!



I certainly don't take it as a threat, but what design compromised choices are you talking about?  The PID controlled group head?  The front-filling reservoir?  The built-in gadget tray?   What specific engineering design features do you see that they compromised on?

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AlexKilpatrick Said:

What are basing this on?  You say "For sure"  I assume you have done some sort of engineering analysis of the components?  Can you elaborate on what you mean by "fairly well"?


From what I can tell, the proponents of the Italian machines are much more passionate and emotional in their arguments.  I say the machine has X,Y and Z, same as the high-end machines and the proponents of the Italian machines say that doesn't matter because...  Italian!



I certainly don't take it as a threat, but what design compromised choices are you talking about?  The PID controlled group head?  The front-filling reservoir?  The built-in gadget tray?   What specific engineering design features do you see that they compromised on?

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mariog7 Said:

I am the originator or this thread.  Sorry for stirring up quite the controversy.  Please don't worry about this thread - I hate to see people spending their time hating and arguing rather than enjoying espresso. So please disregard this post - I will research further.

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cuznvin Said:

I wouldnt worry about it..Every BDB thread turns into controversy.. LOL!!

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mariog7 Said:

I am the originator or this thread.  Sorry for stirring up quite the controversy.  Please don't worry about this thread - I hate to see people spending their time hating and arguing rather than enjoying espresso. So please disregard this post - I will research further.

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Iluvdabean Said:

The BDB people want to feel they have a machine that is the equal of other more expensive Italian machines,they want instant status on that level. Thats fine i understand that,however that isnt something
anyone can bestow on them.  Its something that they have to earn like the rest of the machines ten or fifteen years from now

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AlexKilpatrick Said:

LOL.  This is one of the funniest things I have read on the internet in ages, and that is saying something.  You have me so figured out!  I am craving that Italian status.  I guess I haven't "earned" it by spending $2000-$6000 on a coffee machine.

But seriously, I couldn't care less about status, especially among coffee snobs.   I'm not rich enough to afford status.   I just want to make good espresso without spending a fortune.  Espresso is a chemical process that involves tightly controlled pressure, temperature, precisely ground coffee, and good roasted beans.  That's it.  The chemicals don't care about status.

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