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Dapuma
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 4:50pm
Subject: Machine Buying - refurb v new
 

I was wondering, now that I am going to take the step up from the EC-155, I have seen a lot of machines for refurbs, and they are a few hundred dollars cheaper, so in theory I could get more machine for my money

I have a refurb Breville blender (becuase I didnt want to pony down the cash on a vitamix at the time) and that blender works brilliantly

However, with so many moving parts am I buying something that is going to have more problems because it is a refurb?  Are they giving brand new portafilter (I believe that is what is handle that you put the espresso and attach to the machine is called) so they are "clean"

What is the biggest difference other than the machine has broken down at one point in time?

I guess same thing with a grinder as well, are they replacing the blades etc or hopper so it is sanitized, kind of like breville did on the blender they replaced the top portion of the unit and refurbed the bottom

I have a budget of 2k or less, delivered to the house including tax (which seems avoidable from an online vendor) and it seems like a Vario or Vario W grinder will work so that gives me ~1500 for a machine or maybe a bit more if i go with a refurb grinder

Side note:  The rocket machines look pretty awesome, but they seem out of the price range where I need to be at

So I guess I am looking for help with in my price range I could get X or Y machine, but if I go with a refurb I could take a step up to Z machine and here is why that is worth it

So a in my price range X and Y are good options and the refurb isn't going to let you save enough money to take a step up to the "next level"
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 5:04pm
Subject: Re: Machine Buying - refurb v new
 

It is more the vendor than quality issues with the machine that you need to think about.

A lot of returns in this price point is buyers remorse and many machines have had no issues at all. you need to look at the warranty of the referb product.

The PF most likely will not be new, there is not a need to replace it.

The machine will have been inspected for operation and will be safe to use.

 
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Dapuma
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 5:38pm
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so an Open Box product it is a return versus the Refurb where the was an actual problem - would be the better way to go
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 6:02pm
Subject: Re: Machine Buying - refurb v new
 

1500 I would get a low end HX new.  But that is just me.  Or double my money and get an L-1.  
http://londiniumespresso.com/collections/espresso-equipment

 
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 7:19pm
Subject: Re: Machine Buying - refurb v new
 

One way to look at it is that the brand new machines are each individual items assembled according to a plan that gets as many made as possible in a workday without exceeding 1 defect per 200 units.
The refurb is a machine that has had special attention paid to it by a professional that was quite likely curious about whatever problem it exhibited before being repaired.  It is going to be rebuilt to as close to "New" as possible by an expert that probably doesn't have a quota to make.  And it's going to be cheaper.
I'm a huge fan of refurbished and used machines.  Saving a dollar may not be as important to you. Somewhere down the road, you'll want to sell it. If you bought it used/refurb, you'll be getting back a better percentage of your investment.
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Posted Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:32am
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Sstones is correct, I bought my machine for less than 500 cleaned it up and upgraded it and I could sell it for the same price maybe even 100 more to someone that understands the upgrades I made to it.

 
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