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AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 4:23pm
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

calblacksmith Said:

Who cares?
Right now it works fairly well, the doubters will say fairly freely but how long will it do so? For sure not as long as a more "traditional" or most Italian machines will.

Posted February 17, 2013 link

What are basing this on?  You say "For sure"  I assume you have done some sort of engineering analysis of the components?  Can you elaborate on what you mean by "fairly well"?

calblacksmith Said:

From what I have observed, the most vocal proponents of the BDB seem to be more fans of the machine and defend it along those lines rather having a dispassionate point of view and discuss the merits of both the pro and con points.

Posted February 17, 2013 link

From what I can tell, the proponents of the Italian machines are much more passionate and emotional in their arguments.  I say the machine has X,Y and Z, same as the high-end machines and the proponents of the Italian machines say that doesn't matter because...  Italian!

calblacksmith Said:

There are however, many design compromised choices made in it and merely pointing them out should not be taken as a threat. Just saying... aYMMV!

Posted February 17, 2013 link

I certainly don't take it as a threat, but what design compromised choices are you talking about?  The PID controlled group head?  The front-filling reservoir?  The built-in gadget tray?   What specific engineering design features do you see that they compromised on?
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 4:26pm
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

AlexKilpatrick Said:

What are basing this on?  You say "For sure"  I assume you have done some sort of engineering analysis of the components?  Can you elaborate on what you mean by "fairly well"?


From what I can tell, the proponents of the Italian machines are much more passionate and emotional in their arguments.  I say the machine has X,Y and Z, same as the high-end machines and the proponents of the Italian machines say that doesn't matter because...  Italian!



I certainly don't take it as a threat, but what design compromised choices are you talking about?  The PID controlled group head?  The front-filling reservoir?  The built-in gadget tray?   What specific engineering design features do you see that they compromised on?

Posted February 17, 2013 link

The weak steaming abilities........
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calblacksmith
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 4:39pm
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

AlexKilpatrick Said:

What are basing this on?  You say "For sure"  I assume you have done some sort of engineering analysis of the components?  Can you elaborate on what you mean by "fairly well"?


From what I can tell, the proponents of the Italian machines are much more passionate and emotional in their arguments.  I say the machine has X,Y and Z, same as the high-end machines and the proponents of the Italian machines say that doesn't matter because...  Italian!



I certainly don't take it as a threat, but what design compromised choices are you talking about?  The PID controlled group head?  The front-filling reservoir?  The built-in gadget tray?   What specific engineering design features do you see that they compromised on?

Posted February 17, 2013 link

A die hard fan reply.
The built to a price point quality of components. Lack of user maintain ability. Extensive use of plastic, wow-features over quality components.

Quality components cost money, there is no way around that.

This conversation could go on and on, regardless of the issues I bring up, they will be discounted in deference to fan passion. I'm done with the issue as it is straying from the OP question too far in my humble opinion.

 
In real life, my name is
Wayne P.
Anything I post is personal opinion and is only worth as much as anyone else's personal opinion. YMMV!

Feed the newbs, starve the trolls and above all enjoy what you drink!
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mariog7
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 5:48pm
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

I am the originator or this thread.  Sorry for stirring up quite the controversy.  Please don't worry about this thread - I hate to see people spending their time hating and arguing rather than enjoying espresso. So please disregard this post - I will research further.
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 5:51pm
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

mariog7 Said:

I am the originator or this thread.  Sorry for stirring up quite the controversy.  Please don't worry about this thread - I hate to see people spending their time hating and arguing rather than enjoying espresso. So please disregard this post - I will research further.

Posted February 17, 2013 link

I wouldnt worry about it..Every BDB thread turns into controversy.. LOL!!
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AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 6:06pm
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

cuznvin Said:

I wouldnt worry about it..Every BDB thread turns into controversy.. LOL!!

Posted February 17, 2013 link

Yep, it is like Apple vs PC, Android vs iOS, etc. etc.
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Iluvdabean
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 6:44pm
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

The BDB people want to feel they have a machine that is the equal of other more expensive Italian machines,they want instant status on that level. Thats fine i understand that,however that isnt something
anyone can bestow on them.Its something that they have to earn like the rest of the machines ten or fifteen years from now. The jury is still out on long term reliability. Right now my five year old Gaggia Classic
has a longer track record than any BDB. The main point for posting here isnt to win arguements or influence BDB people. The reason is that when people come here with 1200.00 to invest on their espresso journey they consider
all the facts,that all. In the end we all have more in common and thats a great thing. I mean at least the BDB pulls great shots right now. But if it was me I would take a myriad of other machines. I dont have 1200.00 to gamble with.

mariog7 Said:

I am the originator or this thread.  Sorry for stirring up quite the controversy.  Please don't worry about this thread - I hate to see people spending their time hating and arguing rather than enjoying espresso. So please disregard this post - I will research further.

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AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 6:56pm
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

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Iluvdabean Said:

The BDB people want to feel they have a machine that is the equal of other more expensive Italian machines,they want instant status on that level. Thats fine i understand that,however that isnt something
anyone can bestow on them.  Its something that they have to earn like the rest of the machines ten or fifteen years from now

Posted February 17, 2013 link

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LOL.  This is one of the funniest things I have read on the internet in ages, and that is saying something.  You have me so figured out!  I am craving that Italian status.  I guess I haven't "earned" it by spending $2000-$6000 on a coffee machine.

But seriously, I couldn't care less about status, especially among coffee snobs.   I'm not rich enough to afford status.   I just want to make good espresso without spending a fortune.  Espresso is a chemical process that involves tightly controlled pressure, temperature, precisely ground coffee, and good roasted beans.  That's it.  The chemicals don't care about status.
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Iluvdabean
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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 7:39pm
Subject: Re: Quick Mill Vetrano vs. Breville Dual Boiler
 

OK...why dont you BDB people just settle for less expensive machine made in China from a company noted for its toasters and blenders which at least for now
does make fine espresso but has no track record.
Isn't that about as fair as it gets.:)

AlexKilpatrick Said:

LOL.  This is one of the funniest things I have read on the internet in ages, and that is saying something.  You have me so figured out!  I am craving that Italian status.  I guess I haven't "earned" it by spending $2000-$6000 on a coffee machine.

But seriously, I couldn't care less about status, especially among coffee snobs.   I'm not rich enough to afford status.   I just want to make good espresso without spending a fortune.  Espresso is a chemical process that involves tightly controlled pressure, temperature, precisely ground coffee, and good roasted beans.  That's it.  The chemicals don't care about status.

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Posted Sun Feb 17, 2013, 8:30pm
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lol
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