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Posted Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:22am
Subject: Age of Miss Silvia a problem?
 

I am looking at buying a rancilio silvia that was made in 02', is she past her prime, or still worth a shot?
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Posted Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:53am
Subject: Re: Age of Miss Silvia a problem?
 

All depends on the guts.  The outside can be pristine and it could be trash in the inside.  Cracks, leaks, rust, warped etc.

 
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Posted Wed Feb 13, 2013, 1:18pm
Subject: Re: Age of Miss Silvia a problem?
 

i dont think its a problem assuming that:
1)  the machine has been cared for well - ask questions about maintenance routine, if they dont know how regulary they descaled, etc, dont buy
2)  you are getting a very very good price, like $150

the reason for the second part is that you are going to want (well, you should) to tear it open and disassemble it to examine its condition.

I have a V2 that i got for a really good deal.  I ended up pretty much taking whole thing apart and putting it back together.  There really isnt that much to these machines, there are pretty simple.  assuming you are mechically inclined i would go for it.  that way if you end up dumping $100 in parts into it, you still have a really good machine.

this is what i did with my machine and i recommend you do it as well:

  1.  remove, inspect and clean boiler as needed, replace boiler gasket when replacing - replace the boiler screws with new STAINLESS screws.  i believe this was a 4 or 5mm allan wrench to remove
  2.  remove and inspect OPV
  3.  remove, inspect and clean the 3 way valve
  4.  remove and replace/rebuild the steam wand valve with new gaskets (or for $75 upgrade to V3 wand).  
  5.  remove and clean the grouphead assembly, replace the grouphead filter

there are some other minor cleaning things you can do while its open, but there isnt that much to the machines.  the items i listed above probably totalled around $40 in parts, etc and took me 2-3 hours.  before you do anything i would run the machine for a while and do some test shots including measuring the temp at the grouphead, and make sure it steams good.  If either doesnt work right, you may need to replace the temperature switches that are mounted on the boiler while you are in there.

One big hint - takes lots of pictures of everything as you dissassemble, especially the wiring on top of the boiler!  i took 4-5 pictures of the wiring on teh boiler and still had to guess on two wires (luckily they were right teh first time)

when doing the test run, make sure you have the top off of the machine so you can look for leaks, etc

One great thing about the Silvia is the amount of pictures, DIY, info available on the internet.

i got all my parts from espressoparts.com; fantastic
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Posted Wed Feb 13, 2013, 1:26pm
Subject: Re: Age of Miss Silvia a problem?
 

also, not sure if a V1 Silvia has an adjustable OPV or not...if not, you can get a new one for $40 or so.
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Posted Wed Feb 13, 2013, 1:32pm
Subject: Re: Age of Miss Silvia a problem?
 

No OPV in '02.

EDIT: I assumed that the statement inferred an adjustable OPV. Yes, all Silvias have always had a pressure regulating valve of some sort. The '02 had one, but as stated, it was not easily adjustable; washers had to be added in order to set a maximum brew force.

 
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Posted Wed Feb 13, 2013, 1:39pm
Subject: Re: Age of Miss Silvia a problem?
 

Interesting pressure thread on Silvia V1, says OPV present, not adjustable.

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machinemods/583762

And a little more part info

http://www.espressoparts.com/R_1406

 
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Posted Wed Feb 13, 2013, 1:48pm
Subject: Re: Age of Miss Silvia a problem?
 

D4F Said:

Interesting pressure thread on Silvia V1, says OPV present, not adjustable.

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machinemods/583762

And a little more part info

http://www.espressoparts.com/R_1406

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that was my understanding is that there is an OPV, just not adjustable.  I would swap out the old OPV with a new adjustable one for the $40
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Posted Wed Feb 13, 2013, 4:42pm
Subject: Re: Age of Miss Silvia a problem?
 

A well cared for Silvia ought to last 20 years or more.  If you're handy, you can certainly make that happen.  As said above, if it's going for a good price and in decent shape...and you're in the market for a SBDU machine...it's worth getting.

I would highly recommend changing out the steam valve/wand to the articulating version, rather than rebuilding the non-articulating wand's valve.  I used a v1 Silvia for about 8 years or so.  I rebuilt the valve once.  The second time, I changed it out for the articulating version and was really sorry I hadn't done it much sooner.  I think it's one of the best upgrades you can do...probably second only to installing a PID.

 
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Posted Wed Feb 13, 2013, 6:24pm
Subject: Re: Age of Miss Silvia a problem?
 

thank you for the detailed responses, im gonna give her a shot...
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Posted Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:16pm
Subject: Re: Age of Miss Silvia a problem?
 

afchad Said:

I am looking at buying a rancilio silvia that was made in 02', is she past her prime, or still worth a shot?

Posted February 13, 2013 link

As stated above, depends on how it was cared for.  Mine was purchased in 2002 (same year I joined CG) and is still going strong though I had to replace the boiler, rebuild the steam wand valve and do the usual maintenance.
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