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Marques
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 7:45pm
Subject: Fiamma Marina
 

This is my first post here and was hoping to get a lot of feedback.  Currently my in-laws have a Fiamma Superbar espresso machine and I would like to say that it is an amazing machine.  I currently bought a Rancilio Silvia V3 with a PID and I was very disappointed.  The steam was horrible and it wasn't taking out coffee like I was used to.  Fiamma is a Portuguese company and the distributor here in NJ stopped carrying them and there isn't another vendor here in USA.  I was interested in purchasing the newer version Fiamma Marina, but it seems to be a hassle since I need to have someone purchase it and ship it to me from Portugal.  Another issue is that they stopped making machines with 110v, so I would have to buy a transformer.  Well my question is, does anyone know any other brands that I should be looking at that compares to this machine?  I would like direct water hookup and commercial look.  I would also like it to be POD compatible.  My budget is about $1500 - 2000.00.


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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 8:37pm
Subject: Re: Fiamma Marina
 

Welcome to CG!

That looks like a prosumer HX machine. I think you also don't want that particular brand because it might be hard to find parts/service for it here.  It would be a shame to see anyone use pods with it, rather than exploit it's capabilities. PODs pretty much will give you swill in a cup, and why would you want that when you can have consistently great espresso? There are a lot of great prosumer HX machines available in the US that are equally competent.  Anyhow, to name a random few manufacturers...in no particular order and without really excluding others I don't name...Rocket, Quick Mill, Vibiemme, Izzo, Salvatore, etc, etc. I'd recommend reading the espresso machine buying guide on this website (click on the "guides & how tos" link above on the green bar).  There's nothing wrong with a HX machine, and your budget puts you right into that category, but you really haven't said anything else that makes you want that over some other type of machine, such as a DB or a lever for example. Also, you will need to read about other features, such as semi-automatic and full automatic (and no I'm not talking about super automatic, that's different).  I think you'll find the guide a very good place to start to learn about features you may or may not want. (Btw, you should be able to make great espresso with that Silvia - though that doesn't mean it's the right machine for your needs)

Then answer the standard set of questions we typically ask of everyone in your shoes:

what kind of drinks will you make and how often, how many a day, a week, will you entertain much
you've already said you can and want to plumb in
do you have a dedicated 20 amp circuit or would it be shared or do you have a standard 15
does your budget include a grinder
are you willing to consider/interested in used gear

and there are two great companies in your general part of the country that you may want to consider paying a visit to once you get a little closer...Chris' Coffee Service and 1st Line Equipment

 
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Posted Thu Feb 7, 2013, 8:08pm
Subject: Re: Fiamma Marina
 

Thank you so much for your reply.  This is much harder than I expected, those are very nice machines but so similar in styling.  To answer your questions I have 20 amp, really wanted to buy a grinder(because I wanted to use PODS, I know its a sin, but its very convenient and not messy).  I have about 2 coffee daily min. with more on weekends when people are over.  I wanted to stay away from used also.  I dont care about the size, I actually like the bigger models because it looks more commercial.  The Izzo and Rockets looks very nice, don't know if I would need a dual boiler or if that would just be a bragging right.  Do all these machines have the POD adapters?
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013, 9:54pm
Subject: Re: Fiamma Marina
 

Choosing between lever, HX and DB isn't really about saying who has what, but more an understanding of how they operate and what your needs and wants are. Pods...I'm not the best guy to ask...yeah, you can do it on an E61 for sure, but I just don't get it. I mean, I get the no mess part, but to me the price you pay in espresso quality reduction is a major deal breaker. Think of it like putting an automatic transmission in a Lamborghini.

 
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013, 8:38pm
Subject: Re: Fiamma Marina
 

I understand and everyone keeps telling me the same thing about the pods.  I just want to have the option and be able to use them in the beginning since that is what I am used to and slowly play around with grinding my own beans.  Now I am currently using a Fiamma Superbar and I read in the manual that it has 2100w, and the Izzo and R58 are lower.  I know the Fiamma is HX and the other two are DB, but are they equivalent or is the DB more powerful?  Thanks for all your help.
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Posted Sat Feb 9, 2013, 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Fiamma Marina
 

And I didnt know if those two machines was just changing the basket in the portafilter or if the screen has to be changed also etc.
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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013, 8:24am
Subject: Re: Fiamma Marina
 

Izzo and Rocket both make HX and DB machines.  I can't attest to the power differences in steaming between different brands and models, but I can tell you pretty much all prosumer HX and DB machines are plenty powerful.  The decision which engineering design should really be based on how you intend to use the machine.  for instance, if you want to change beans on the fly and not have to go into programming mode and wait for the new temp to stabilize, you'll be better off with a HX machine.  If you tend to want the same beans time after time and want to not have to worry about altering brew temp then the DB might be right for you.  If you are concerned about a specific brand/model, you should make an inquiry to owners, so they can tell you their experiences.

I chose a DB machine after reading a lot about the two (HX and DB), because it is the way I tend to operate.  In truth, I rarely reprogram the brew temp, even when changing beans.  However, I think there's a part of me that would like to experiment with comparing different beans side by side (or at least in series) and a HX machine would be better suited for that, especially if I were to take the time to make the effort to see what temp was best to my liking for each bean before the comparison.

Re: pods, I don't know.  Like I said before, I know E61's can handle pods with some sort of adapter, but that's as far as my knowledge goes in that direction, and I have no desire to find out more.  Perhaps a new thread specific to that or a search for prior threads might help you...since no one else seems to be participating in this one.

 
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Posted Mon Feb 11, 2013, 3:28pm
Subject: Re: Fiamma Marina
 

Marques Said:

I would also like it to be POD compatible.

Posted February 6, 2013 link

I used ESE pods for many years.  When I got my E61 machine I wanted to keep using them at times.  Unfortunately, that did not really work.  The preinfusion in the E61 causes early, low-pressure flow through the pod which makes for very poor espresso.  After getting a very good grinder (which is I think more important than the espresso machine) I quickly found that I didn't need nor want to use pods.  If you really still want to use pods then think of getting a machine without preinfusion.
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Posted Wed May 8, 2013, 6:29am
Subject: Re: Fiamma Marina
 

Hello. I am from Aveiro, Portugal, and you can contact FIAMMA in geral@rst.pt or you can see their website www.rst.pt (manufacturer); you can buy the parts there.
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