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cuznvin
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 8:55am
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

DavecUK Said:

Pull a shot with a blind filter installed:

Whats the brew pressure
see if it still makes the noise. If it does..check the OPV/Expansion valve return whilst pulling a shot against the blind filter. If you see water coming out, the expansion valve is set incorrectly.
There might be air trapped in the OPV line (I did recommend it was at the highest point within the machine, not at the bottom).

There are some other things it might be, but favorite is the expansion valve set incorrectly....report back.

Dave

Posted February 5, 2013 link

So Dave... Do you think this will be a recurring issue with the R58 being that the OPV is at the bottom instead of the highest point?
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 9:38am
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

Yeah it has mase that noise since I filled it up. Sorry I am abit of an idiot when it comes to this, but I am not sure what I need to adjust? Where is this OPV valve?
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 9:42am
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

Italo2275 Said:

Ok Guys Well I am abit pissed of and maybe made a wrong choice, So I am playig around with the machine and this noise come up. Now you tell me if this is normal. I am going to bring it back and if they say they have to send it in I will tell them give me a new Izzo3. What you think?


Link to the noise it makes

http://youtu.be/WnNNgBu-cV8

Posted February 5, 2013 link

Don't know about the noise but that looked like a nice shot.
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 2:18pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

cuznvin Said:

So Dave... Do you think this will be a recurring issue with the R58 being that the OPV is at the bottom instead of the highest point?

Posted February 6, 2013 link

Probably not, might happen occasionally, also it's only my view that it's better to have it higher up....my make no difference. The really bad OPV placement is when they put them on the hot side of the boiler, as Quickmill used to do!

On his machine the OPV/Expansion valve should play no part in the shot making process as it's a rotary pumped machine.....but a bit more feedback, like answers to my questions might shed more light on exactly what's causing it.
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cuznvin
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 2:34pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

DavecUK Said:

Probably not, might happen occasionally, also it's only my view that it's better to have it higher up....my make no difference. The really bad OPV placement is when they put them on the hot side of the boiler, as Quickmill used to do!

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Thanks so much for your input and for sharing your knowledge
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 6:53pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

Ok
Here are my Findings Sorry I do not know where the OPV valve is so I could not check for water leak.

Blind filter test
http://youtu.be/1JwskC32-zY

2)Test after blind filter
http://youtu.be/aWPwR-ReAn0
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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 9:00pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

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Posted Wed Feb 6, 2013, 9:12pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

Italo2275 Said:

Ok
Here are my Findings Sorry I do not know where the OPV valve is so I could not check for water leak.

Blind filter test
http://youtu.be/1JwskC32-zY

2)Test after blind filter
http://youtu.be/aWPwR-ReAn0

Posted February 6, 2013 link

That is bizarre to say the least. Have you been able to localize the sound? Since it isn't present during the black PF pull, I think we can rule out the OPV relief as the culprit. Now it seems more likely to be something either in the group, or in the pump itself. Are you plumbed?



Also, even though this is relevant to the OP's question on which machine to buy, you may get more information on this issue starting a new thread. I feel like we have all drifted off topic and I would like to find out which machine the OP has chosen.

 
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Posted Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:46am
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

Italo2275 Said:

Ok
Here are my Findings Sorry I do not know where the OPV valve is so I could not check for water leak.

Blind filter test
http://youtu.be/1JwskC32-zY

2)Test after blind filter
http://youtu.be/aWPwR-ReAn0

Posted February 6, 2013 link

The R58 I tested was a pre-production machine, but I don't think much has changed. From memory the OPV vents out into the front drip tray. I am wondering if the higher flow/pressure through the OPV when pulling a shot thru the blind filter is just enough to stop the noise. You might have got the noise for a moment just at the beginning of the blind filter because with a rotary pump the E61 groups "preinfusion chamber takes a few moments to fill, and during that time the pressure is slightly lower. Clean the drip tray and check the tube within it to see if any water is coming out during a blind filter shot.

If there is nothing....The only other thing I can think of, is the 2 solenoid valves the R58 uses to switch from tanked to mains operation. I did recommend there should be a sealing cap on the water mains inlet(for a few reasons).....if there is no water from the OPV, I am wondering if when under a flow condition e.g. when pulling a shot, if the inlet solenoid for mains operation is letting some air into the system. You could try switching from tanked to mains and back again (quickly), just to operate the solenoids.

NB: All this assumed that water is not dripping out of the E61 exhaust vent during the shot/blind filter shot and that the sound is coming from inside near the rear and lower part of the machine.

Dave
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Posted Thu Feb 7, 2013, 8:46am
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

acasabia Said:

That is bizarre to say the least. Have you been able to localize the sound? Since it isn't present during the black PF pull, I think we can rule out the OPV relief as the culprit. Now it seems more likely to be something either in the group, or in the pump itself. Are you plumbed?



Also, even though this is relevant to the OP's question on which machine to buy, you may get more information on this issue starting a new thread. I feel like we have all drifted off topic and I would like to find out which machine the OP has chosen.

Posted February 6, 2013 link

He is the original poster. He purchased the R58 that he is having problems with now......
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