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Park_Ridge_Dave
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Posted Thu Feb 7, 2013, 2:00pm Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

martigen Said: how do i check how many shots i've pulled so far, i've had the machine for 3 months and i'm pretty sure i've already got to the 200+ shots and the machine still hasn't given me the "clean me" signal, is there a way to check how many shots i've pulled so far? Posted February 7, 2013 link with the machine off press and hold all 4 "programming" PB while you turn it on. It will display a number that is the number of shots divided by 10. Cheers, Dave

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martigen
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Posted Thu Feb 7, 2013, 4:37pm Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

Thank you, i'll give it a try

AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:45am Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

Can anyone tell me what temperature the hot water output is on the BDB? Hot enough for tea?

toiler
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013, 1:30am Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

Good question! Had to pull out my Thermapen to confirm. (And you should buy a Thermapen if you cook meat or fish) It is around the same temperature as the group-head setting. You can set it up and down a bit, but around 200F. You can't pull a shot and pour water at the same time, as one shuts the other off, so I assume they use the same boiler. I use the water for my americano's. Sometimes I steam it a bit after adding cream to bring the temp back up. I don't know much about tea brewing temps, seems to be as varied as coffee theories. http://www.thermoworks.com/products/thermapen/

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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013, 5:26am Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

Thanks! I have several different temp sensors, but I don't have a BDB yet. I was asking because I was considering getting one for the office, and my office-mate primarily drinks tea. If anything, tea people are probably more religious about all the factors involved in making it than coffee people, but tea people luckily don't have to spend $1000+ on equipment. My office-mate says that she can't tell the difference between minor variations in temp, though. She currently makes tea from one of those water cooler things that supplies hot water. I need to check, but I am pretty sure it is no where near 200 degrees. Ideally (lots of controversy here), tea is steeped "right off the boil", which would be about 210 degrees. I wasn't expecting the hot water on the BDB to be that hot, but 200 is plenty hot enough for anyone who isn't going to require a kettle for tea.

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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013, 5:51am
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AlexKilpatrick Said:

Thanks!

I have several different temp sensors, but I don't have a BDB yet. I was asking because I was considering getting one for the office, and my office-mate primarily drinks tea. If anything, tea people are probably more religious about all the factors involved in making it than coffee people, but tea people luckily don't have to spend $1000+ on equipment. My office-mate says that she can't tell the difference between minor variations in temp, though. She currently makes tea from one of those water cooler things that supplies hot water. I need to check, but I am pretty sure it is no where near 200 degrees.

Ideally (lots of controversy here), tea is steeped "right off the boil", which would be about 210 degrees. I wasn't expecting the hot water on the BDB to be that hot, but 200 is plenty hot enough for anyone who isn't going to require a kettle for tea.

Posted February 8, 2013 link

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Depends on on the tea! The wrong temp can make it bitter

Park_Ridge_Dave
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013, 6:41am Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

AlexKilpatrick Said: Thanks! I have several different temp sensors, but I don't have a BDB yet. I was asking because I was considering getting one for the office, and my office-mate primarily drinks tea. If anything, tea people are probably more religious about all the factors involved in making it than coffee people, but tea people luckily don't have to spend $1000+ on equipment. My office-mate says that she can't tell the difference between minor variations in temp, though. She currently makes tea from one of those water cooler things that supplies hot water. I need to check, but I am pretty sure it is no where near 200 degrees. Ideally (lots of controversy here), tea is steeped "right off the boil", which would be about 210 degrees. I wasn't expecting the hot water on the BDB to be that hot, but 200 is plenty hot enough for anyone who isn't going to require a kettle for tea. Posted February 8, 2013 link It should be more than hot enough for most teas EXCEPT Black/Red/Herbal/Tisane These four require "just off the boil" (212 Deg F) water. All the others would probably require letting the water cool for some time as some delicate teas should be brewed at around 160 F. Others at 180 you get the picture. Considering the cost of a Thermopen, maybe you should buy a Breville Tea maker they have a nice one. My wife (the tea drinker in the family) has a nice Krups machine that wasn't all that expensive. They usually have a range of brewing temps and they usually have a "keep warm" mode. Good Luck, Dave

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MerleApAmber
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013, 5:41pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

*snip*

AlexKilpatrick Said:

I wasn't expecting the hot water on the BDB to be that hot, but 200 is plenty hot enough for anyone who isn't going to require a kettle for tea.

Posted February 8, 2013 link

Also note, that steam wand will help recover heat or add to that left in the cup after said cup steals it. Where I live the "roiling bubbling" point therma pens right at 200 to 204.

a later edit add below...
If you don't have a simple preheating source of water for the cups a warming discharge through the group and portafilter makes a wonderful cup warmer to prime you. IF you're making milk drinks, you can use the added heat from steaming said rinse water to bring the cups right up to 'good enough.'

AlexKilpatrick
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013, 6:59pm Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

I got my BDB in from Seattle Coffee Gear today. They weren't any cheaper than anyone else, but I felt I owed them because of all the fantastic videos they have put up. I have learned a ton from them. I had upgraded my grinder first, so I was using a Baritza Vario, but paired with a DeLonghi KMix - a true example of a mismatched pair if ever there was one. After a lot of experimentation and temp surfing, I was able to produce good shots on the KMix - good as in "not bitter" and "not sour" but plenty drinkable. So I got the DBD set up, and without changing any setting I poured my first shot. Same beans, same grind, same everything but the machine itself. The shot was really fast (as I expected). However, all I can say is "Wow" Seemed like totally different beans to me. The crema was much richer and varied, and I could taste all kinds of new things - berries, hint of chocolate, etc. If this is how it works out of the box, I can't wait to experiment and see what I can get it to do. My only concern is that with a blind filter in I am getting about 11, and on the shots I am getting about 10.5. Is that too high?

BubbaDude
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Posted Fri Feb 8, 2013, 9:07pm Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

Sounds like you could dial the grind a click or two finer. Welcome to the club, many happy shots!

"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince

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