They are attractive enough machines. From a price and feature standpoint I guess they are competing with Rocket. 1st line gives an interesting statement as to why they are no longer carrying the rocket line. It says these new machines are designed in Germany and made in Italy.
hankua Senior Member Joined: 29 Aug 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Expertise: Just starting
Espresso: Salvatore One Black Grinder: Pharos,Rossi RR45OD, Lido,... Drip: CCD Roaster: Yang-Chia 800n
Posted Fri May 18, 2012, 10:17am Subject: Re: ECM Germany from 1st line
Stainless boiler and rotary pump at the intro price looks pretty sweet! He needs to post more photos of the internals, the bid of welding I saw looked well done.
yiplong Senior Member Joined: 19 Feb 2012 Posts: 79 Location: EU Expertise: Just starting
Posted Fri May 18, 2012, 10:59am Subject: Re: ECM Germany from 1st line
hankua Said:
Stainless boiler and rotary pump at the intro price looks pretty sweet! He needs to post more photos of the internals, the bid of welding I saw looked well done.
In fact stainless steel is cheaper than brass, or copper for the matter, and there is today Ruveco process to positively remove surface lead from brass components.... Different class but not necessarily above, actually cheaper approach with pros and cons, while in pump example the fact remains that product in the cup does not change.. Ciao, Pietro
hankua Senior Member Joined: 29 Aug 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Expertise: Just starting
Espresso: Salvatore One Black Grinder: Pharos,Rossi RR45OD, Lido,... Drip: CCD Roaster: Yang-Chia 800n
Posted Fri May 18, 2012, 3:33pm Subject: Re: ECM Germany from 1st line
I work in a food factory with guys who do sanitary welding. There is a big difference between brazing copper and welding stainless neatly. The attention to detail in a machine is worth noting.
CafeRetro Senior Member Joined: 25 Jan 2003 Posts: 57 Location: Saginaw
Posted Tue May 22, 2012, 10:27am Subject: Re: ECM Germany from 1st line
cappuccinoboy Said:
In fact stainless steel is cheaper than brass, or copper for the matter, and there is today Ruveco process to positively remove surface lead from brass components.... Ciao, Pietro
While somewhat familiar with the Ruveco process, It seems not too many major espresso machine manufacturers list this in their features or specifications. Would you care to elaborate?
CafeRetro Senior Member Joined: 25 Jan 2003 Posts: 57 Location: Saginaw
Posted Tue May 22, 2012, 12:00pm Subject: Re: ECM Germany from 1st line
hankua Said:
Stainless boiler and rotary pump at the intro price looks pretty sweet! He needs to post more photos of the internals, the bid of welding I saw looked well done.
If you go to 1st-Line's site for these, click on the machine you're interested in and there's a few interior shots at bottom of page, appears to be very tidy and well done.
I'm thinking very seriously about one, would like to see a review.
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