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Jmanespresso
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Espresso: Alex Duetto II
Grinder: Compak K10 - Vario
Vac Pot: Yama-SY5/SY8/TCA5
Drip: V60, Beehouse, CCD
Roaster: Hottop B
Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 2:05pm
Subject: Re: Alex Duetto 3.0 on its way to me (arrived)
 

I pretty much only use barware style cups.  ACF, Nouva Point, D'Ancap, Inker, and also EPNWs brand.  I require my espresso to be in those cups.  I can get away with a cappa or latte in a different style cup, but I need the heavy, thick, rounded inside porcelain of italian barware for my espresso.  Ok..

If you use a bottomless, pretty much every cup fits fine.  Even my 8oz tulips fit under the bottomless.

I use a single spout when Im going spouted, and I actually use the longer one found on most machines, not the shorter one for the Duetto PFs.  I do need to tip my cup under it slightly, but only some of them, and all my Demis fit fine, and by 8oz bowls fit fine too.  ITs the big tulips which won't fit.  And when I make Americano's into my Diner style mugs, I need to use the bottomless.

To be honest, when Im pulling shots with the bottomless, I prop the demi up on a triple basket.  I thought the shorter distance would be an issue, but its not at all.



For me.  YMMV.

 
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cuznvin
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Location: NY
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Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi II
Grinder: MACAP M4 Stepless /Baratza...
Drip: YouBrew
Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 2:09pm
Subject: Re: Alex Duetto 3.0 on its way to me (arrived)
 

Jmanespresso Said:

I pretty much only use barware style cups.  ACF, Nouva Point, D'Ancap, Inker, and also EPNWs brand.  I require my espresso to be in those cups.  I can get away with a cappa or latte in a different style cup, but I need the heavy, thick, rounded inside porcelain of italian barware for my espresso.  Ok..

If you use a bottomless, pretty much every cup fits fine.  Even my 8oz tulips fit under the bottomless.

I use a single spout when Im going spouted, and I actually use the longer one found on most machines, not the shorter one for the Duetto PFs.  I do need to tip my cup under it slightly, but only some of them, and all my Demis fit fine, and by 8oz bowls fit fine too.  ITs the big tulips which won't fit.  And when I make Americano's into my Diner style mugs, I need to use the bottomless.

To be honest, when Im pulling shots with the bottomless, I prop the demi up on a triple basket.  I thought the shorter distance would be an issue, but its not at all.



For me.  YMMV.

Posted February 23, 2013 link

Thanks... Curious as to why you need the thick porcelain cups.. I like the Offero Black Matte Cups from EPNW
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jwoodyu
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Joined: 31 Dec 2010
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Location: Michigan
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Allex Duetto II
Grinder: Mazzer Major
Posted Sat Feb 23, 2013, 2:23pm
Subject: Re: Alex Duetto 3.0 on its way to me (arrived)
 

Jmanespresso Said:

I pretty much only use barware style cups.  ACF, Nouva Point, D'Ancap, Inker, and also EPNWs brand.

Posted February 23, 2013 link

SOOO I have been distraught at ACF closing down. Of the 4 others mentioned which do you find to be the most comparable to the ACF? I use the ACF classic shape and would love to find the next closest thing for weight, heat retention and stacking.

 
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johndrobison
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Joined: 29 Apr 2012
Posts: 26
Location: Orange, CA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3
Grinder: Mahlkongi K30 Vario &...
Vac Pot: Yama
Drip: Kalita Wave
Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013, 8:00am
Subject: Re: Alex Duetto 3.0 on its way to me (arrived)
 

Hi all,

I found this temperature study from the original Duetto years ago:

Click Here (coffeetime.wikidot.com)

I've been wondering myself whether the 30-45 minute rule of thumb is just that (a rule of thumb) or really an accurate measure of proper warm up time. Apparently it's quite accurate for the original model Duetto but what about the 2 and 3. Were there any changes that would alter the heating profile since then or would this old study prove to be the same today?

I typically do a 45 - 60 min warm up but often wonder if a shot pulled in 20 or 30 minutes would be any different. Does the newer model heat up any faster? Rules of thumb are nice but I like objectivity even better :)

John
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germantownrob
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Location: Philadelphia
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Duetto 3, A Dead Oscar
Grinder: Vario-W, Preciso w/Esatto,...
Drip: Brazen
Roaster: Diedrich IR-1, HT B
Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013, 8:12am
Subject: Re: Alex Duetto 3.0 on its way to me (arrived)
 

johndrobison Said:

Hi all,

I found this temperature study from the original Duetto years ago:

Click Here (coffeetime.wikidot.com)

I've been wondering myself whether the 30-45 minute rule of thumb is just that (a rule of thumb) or really an accurate measure of proper warm up time. Apparently it's quite accurate for the original model Duetto but what about the 2 and 3. Were there any changes that would alter the heating profile since then or would this old study prove to be the same today?

I typically do a 45 - 60 min warm up but often wonder if a shot pulled in 20 or 30 minutes would be any different. Does the newer model heat up any faster? Rules of thumb are nice but I like objectivity even better :)

John

Posted March 5, 2013 link

Nice find, I will go over it in more detail later, thanks.

The group and the water path are what the warmup is for, those things did not change, that stuff just needs time to become thermally stable. Running water through the group after the boiler has reached temp can speed warming the group up quicker and I will do this when machine is cold and I want a shot soon, it is close enough and speed is desired. If I want to be playing with different temp settings, grind, dose I want a machine that I know is thermally stable to rule out temp as a variation.
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jwoodyu
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Joined: 31 Dec 2010
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Location: Michigan
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Espresso: Allex Duetto II
Grinder: Mazzer Major
Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013, 8:21am
Subject: Re: Alex Duetto 3.0 on its way to me (arrived)
 

germantownrob Said:

Nice find, I will go over it in more detail later, thanks.

The group and the water path are what the warmup is for, those things did not change, that stuff just needs time to become thermally stable. Running water through the group after the boiler has reached temp can speed warming the group up quicker and I will do this when machine is cold and I want a shot soon, it is close enough and speed is desired. If I want to be playing with different temp settings, grind, dose I want a machine that I know is thermally stable to rule out temp as a variation.

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Right on. If I am up early and in a rush I wrap the group with a tea towel for about 15 min while i shower, flush a little water through and wrap it up again for 10 or so more mins while I shave and dress. I can can get decent enough shots though i would not go making changes based on that scheme.

 
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germantownrob
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Joined: 2 Dec 2007
Posts: 2,153
Location: Philadelphia
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Duetto 3, A Dead Oscar
Grinder: Vario-W, Preciso w/Esatto,...
Drip: Brazen
Roaster: Diedrich IR-1, HT B
Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013, 11:00am
Subject: Re: Alex Duetto 3.0 on its way to me (arrived)
 

There is a thread in the Q and A section concerning temperature and PID settings for the Duetto "Re: Help is needed for my Duetto 3" I am about to try Dave's suggestion.
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johndrobison
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Joined: 29 Apr 2012
Posts: 26
Location: Orange, CA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3
Grinder: Mahlkongi K30 Vario &...
Vac Pot: Yama
Drip: Kalita Wave
Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013, 2:50pm
Subject: Re: Alex Duetto 3.0 on its way to me (arrived)
 

germantownrob Said:

There is a thread in the Q and A section concerning temperature and PID settings for the Duetto "Re: Help is needed for my Duetto 3" I am about to try Dave's suggestion.

Posted March 5, 2013 link

That offset check he linked to is a pretty nifty test!
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kboom1
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Joined: 31 Aug 2009
Posts: 310
Location: Northeastern Pennsylvania
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Alex2HX,Alex Duetto,Rancilio...
Grinder: Rancilio Rocky,Vario
Roaster: Behmor x2 / USRC Sample...
Posted Tue Mar 5, 2013, 3:29pm
Subject: Re: Alex Duetto 3.0 on its way to me (arrived)
 

since I had one of eric's thermometers I got for one of my hx machines, I got bored the other day and wanted to check the offset on my duetto. temps were spot on.
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germantownrob
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Joined: 2 Dec 2007
Posts: 2,153
Location: Philadelphia
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Duetto 3, A Dead Oscar
Grinder: Vario-W, Preciso w/Esatto,...
Drip: Brazen
Roaster: Diedrich IR-1, HT B
Posted Fri Mar 8, 2013, 7:30am
Subject: Re: Alex Duetto 3.0 on its way to me (arrived)
 

I have been using this  PID setting posted from a US user from the link Dave posted, I am really liking it.
P=1.3
I=0.06
D=1.5

This setting has been holding a +/- 1f for 24hrs, it is a little slow to recover after a shot but still plenty faster then I am.
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