emil3m Senior Member Joined: 14 Jan 2013 Posts: 103 Location: New York Expertise: Just starting
Espresso: Crossland CC1 Grinder: Vario
Posted Wed Jan 16, 2013, 8:34am Subject: Re: Help needed and will be appreciated!
Ease of use + quality coffee
What is bottom of the range here? CharityV above mentioned "unless...$700+". That or around that would be fine. I already see $400 was completely unreasonable.
The reason I'm reluctant to buy a machine that is heat inconsistent (or consistently not producing very hot) or very capricious about the grind (something I read over and over again) is that it will be collecting dust. Mornings will not afford me the luxury of 2-3 tries to get it right. The objective here is to enjoy and be practical rather than recreational.
I really appreciate everybody's patience here--I'm learning on the go as I read every post.
Currently in love with Hayes Valley by Blue Bottle--locally roasted next to my house in Brooklyn
calblacksmith Moderator Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 7,313 Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A. Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: ECM Veneziano A1 Grinder: Many different commercial Vac Pot: 40s era Silex Drip: Milita, Bunn&Curtis... Roaster: Cast iron pan, gas burner
Posted Wed Jan 16, 2013, 9:36am Subject: Re: Help needed and will be appreciated!
In a SBDU machine, to be consistent without temp surfing (which does work but not as well as a PID) a PID is really required. Even better would be a HX machine. New, they start at the $1K mark but used, you can pick up a machine such as an Oscar for $550 to $600 and they represent a very good value for money spent.
The LeLit http://www.1st-line.com/machines/home_mod/lelit/PL041.htm is a good, basic machine that would benefit from a PID but even without, it is a good quality SBDU machine though you will need to temp surf. At $429 it is not over priced for the quality it represents, but then to make it user friendly, a PID should be added and then the price gets up there to what a Sylvia without PID costs.
Both the PID Le Lit and the standard Sylvia though are higher in cost than a used Oscar can be bought for so the decision of which way you want to go needs to be thought out.
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Posted Wed Jan 16, 2013, 9:53am Subject: Re: Help needed and will be appreciated!
The reason I'm reluctant to buy a machine that is heat inconsistent (or consistently not producing very hot) or very capricious about the grind (something I read over and over again) is that it will be collecting dust. Mornings will not afford me the luxury of 2-3 tries to get it right.
Those statements worry me. Espresso is (or, depending on your standards, can be) an exacting enterprise. "Getting it right" can be anything from, "At least I didn't have to spit it out on the floor," to, "This pull is not as chocolaty as I like." There is a learning curve that can last about as long as you own the machine, again, depending on your standards.
Maybe a nice grinder and a quality coffee maker will suffice? A Mazzer Mini paired with either a Behmor Brazen and/or an Espro Press...?
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