jwoodyu Senior Member Joined: 31 Dec 2010 Posts: 704 Location: Michigan Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Allex Duetto II Grinder: Mazzer Major Roaster: Poppery
Posted Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:53am Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7, Breville DB
Great choice but the observation about not steaming in large pitcher is just wrong. I steam in a 34 oz motta fairly regularly with out issue.
You know those people that want to tell you how to raise your kids but have none of their own? That is how i feel when someone with a kitchen appliance tells me how the merits or dis-merits of my machine or how to use it.
jwoodyu Senior Member Joined: 31 Dec 2010 Posts: 704 Location: Michigan Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Allex Duetto II Grinder: Mazzer Major Roaster: Poppery
Posted Sat Feb 2, 2013, 2:41pm Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7, Breville DB
Oopps you were looking at the III which is wider so that could be. On the II the arm articulates plenty well enough it is not an issue. All the same I am sure you will be very happy with that ride.
You know those people that want to tell you how to raise your kids but have none of their own? That is how i feel when someone with a kitchen appliance tells me how the merits or dis-merits of my machine or how to use it.
cuznvin Senior Member Joined: 6 Oct 2011 Posts: 416 Location: NY Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Sun Feb 3, 2013, 7:57pm Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7, Breville DB
After comparing the specs on the double boilers, it really seems the R58 has the best specs on paper. Large steam boiler, high wattage heaters, decent water tank (for those who arent plumbing in like me) . The only one that comes close is the Vibiemme DD but its heaters are lower powered and the water tank is much smaller than the R58. Guess I have to start saving up!! I think I am going to go with a refurb Vario W or buy from someone who will give me a discount on a new one in a package deal..
Posted Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:42pm Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7, Breville DB
A boiler can be too large, actually. The more water you have to heat, the more time and money it costs. Since the brew water is pre-heated by the steam boiler in these machines, the brew boiler doesn't have to be very big or made out of massive slug of brass or copper and therefore in need of a massive heating coil.
"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince
germantownrob Senior Member Joined: 2 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,017 Location: Philadelphia Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: Duetto 3, A Dead Oscar Grinder: Vario-W, Preciso w/Esatto,... Drip: Brazen Roaster: Diedrich IR-1, HT B
Posted Mon Feb 4, 2013, 5:36am Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7, Breville DB
BubbaDude Said:
A boiler can be too large, actually. The more water you have to heat, the more time and money it costs. Since the brew water is pre-heated by the steam boiler in these machines, the brew boiler doesn't have to be very big or made out of massive slug of brass or copper and therefore in need of a massive heating coil.
I don't need 550hp but I have it as an option instead of choosing the mini van that seats 8 and gets 26mpg. I don't need to seat 8 most of the time but do once in a while and it sure is nice to pack up the kids and go on a road trip with plenty of room for us and stuff. 550hp is not practical as a daily drive ( some may say) but it is fun as heck on a track.
I don't need a commercial roaster to be a better roaster but I have one to roast 3.5 kg per hour and do 7kg per week.
I might not need an e-61 DB for a shot in the morning but when I do 20 drinks in a hour for company multiple times a year it won't blink.
Scace War?! A friendly test of different machine with data for walk up use and multiple back to back could put this to rest with Data.
I am amazed at what 1f change on my Dueto does in the cup I expect it is the same with the BDB. I have delt with keeping a machine alive for 3.5 years and it was a PIA, I wanted a machine I could wrench on easier and had more durable componates to last longer in between repairs.
cuznvin Senior Member Joined: 6 Oct 2011 Posts: 416 Location: NY Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Mon Feb 4, 2013, 9:21am Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7, Breville DB
BubbaDude Said:
A boiler can be too large, actually. The more water you have to heat, the more time and money it costs. Since the brew water is pre-heated by the steam boiler in these machines, the brew boiler doesn't have to be very big or made out of massive slug of brass or copper and therefore in need of a massive heating coil.
Posted Tue Feb 5, 2013, 9:05am Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7, Breville DB
BubbaDude Said:
A boiler can be too large, actually. The more water you have to heat, the more time and money it costs. Since the brew water is pre-heated by the steam boiler in these machines, the brew boiler doesn't have to be very big or made out of massive slug of brass or copper and therefore in need of a massive heating coil.
The copper and brass are good at maintaining the temp once you've achieved it, they're also wrapped in insulation. if My machine has been on for a while the heating elements only kick on sparingly. The size isn't all that big of a deal. I dont imagine you would see that great a warm-up difference between 1.2 and 1.7L. Most electric water kettles use similarly sized heating elements, and I cant say Im all that worried.
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