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Iluvdabean
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Posted Mon Jan 28, 2013, 8:34pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

Fair question...I have been using my Gaggia Classic everyday for five years and its just been fine. But frankly thats not the question here.Its from a person wanting to know why he should pick one of  these three.
When you examine the facts you see E61 the industry standard.You have to ask yourself why? Why would all these great manufactures choose it ? Secondly you have to ask yourself
about Chinese build quality? I mean long haul...10,15,20 years later are these Breviles going to be around?  Does anyone seriously believe the build quality in the Chinese machine is equal to the Italians?


BubbaDude Said:

So why don't you have a Rocket yourself?

Posted January 28, 2013 link

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Posted Mon Jan 28, 2013, 8:35pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

Just noticed Chris Coffee posted the R58 is Out of Stock next shipment arriving early March! They stopped selling the machine for a while but i guess they have worked out any issues they were having. Comes with a 2 yr warranty at time of purchase.

WS
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Posted Mon Jan 28, 2013, 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

Iluvdabean Said:

Fair question...I have been using my Gaggia Classic everyday for five years and its just been fine. But frankly thats not the question here.Its from a person wanting to know why he should pick one of  these three.
When you examine the facts you see E61 the industry standard.You have to ask yourself why? Why would all these great manufactures choose it ? Secondly you have to ask yourself
about Chinese build quality? I mean long haul...10,15,20 years later are these Breviles going to be around?  Does anyone seriously believe the build quality in the Chinese machine is equal to the Rocket?

Posted January 28, 2013 link

I just have to decide if I want to deal with the upkeep of an E61.
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Posted Mon Jan 28, 2013, 8:42pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

CSME9 Said:

Just noticed Chris Coffee posted the R58 is Out of Stock next shipment arriving early March! They stopped selling the machine for a while but i guess they have worked out any issues they were having. Comes with a 2 yr warranty at time of purchase.

WS

Posted January 28, 2013 link

The main issue was the frame and that was fixed. Time will tell...
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Posted Mon Jan 28, 2013, 9:12pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

BubbaDude Said:

...the BDB has been on the market for a year and a half while the PID'ed E61 DB's are brand new and unproven.

Posted January 28, 2013 link

PID E61 double boiler machines have been around for a while:
 
Expobar Brewtus was reviewed here at CG October 2005
Here's an  Expobar Brewtus II vs. Vibiemme Double Boiler PID thread from 2008
And the Alex Duetto II was first reviewed at CG December 2009


And an E61 SBDU with PID (Alexia) used to be considered one of the best machines for espresso shot quality
Here's an Alexia review from October 2007

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Posted Mon Jan 28, 2013, 9:29pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

(Cringe)

 
A morning without coffee is sleep . . .
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Posted Mon Jan 28, 2013, 9:53pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

JonR10 Said:

PID E61 double boiler machines have been around for a while:
 
Expobar Brewtus was reviewed here at CG October 2005

Posted January 28, 2013 link

You're claiming the Brewtus I and II had PIDs? I've never heard that before. Please clarify because I wouldn't want to misquote you.

(Welcome back, BTW, I missed you.)

 
"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince
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Posted Mon Jan 28, 2013, 9:59pm
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BubbaDude Said:

You're claiming the Brewtus I and II had PIDs? I've never heard that before. Please clarify because I wouldn't want to misquote you.

Posted January 28, 2013 link

The Brewtus originally had a digital temp controller (not an actual PID, if it matters).  
Obviously, the point is that these things have been around longer than the BDB, and are a proven system.

 
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Posted Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:08pm
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

JonR10 Said:

The Brewtus originally had a digital temp controller (not an actual PID, if it matters).

Posted January 28, 2013 link

I read a comment on CG about adding a PID to a Brewtus II. But you're right, there is a history of attempts to use the E61 with PIDs and dual boilers. My impression is that they're trying to do something a bit different now with dual boilers and dual PIDs, but I could be wrong.

 
"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince
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Posted Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:00am
Subject: Re: Trying to Decide R58, Quickmill Qm7,  Breville DB
 

Heres a good read I found this morning. To me its fascinating and very informative.


Click Here (blogs.smithsonianmag.com)
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