A range of "$500-$1500" includes almost everything except the kitchen sink (or, perhaps, everything except a new Mazzer Robur-E). So inevitable questions arose:
1) How do you grind? Do you single-dose, or stay with one bean for a time? 2) Do you prefer to use a doser, or to grind directly into the basket? 3) Do you prefer flat- or conical-burr sets? Do you understand the difference, and/or have a preference? 4) Do you want to buy new or used, or do you care?
seageral Senior Member Joined: 30 May 2007 Posts: 17 Location: New Orleans Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:05am Subject: Re: Is Elektra Sixties T1 an Upgrade from an Alex Duetto II?
yeah $500 for vario-w and $1500 for mahlkonig was where i got my range. Was hoping for something sub $1000 (and teh closer to $500 the better obviously) and wondering why it might be better than the vario-w.
just as some background - i'm currently using rancilio rocky doser and things that annoy me are:
1) not fine enough gradations between settings 2) doser is useless when you're only doing 1-2 cups at once and don't want to leave stale grounds in the hopper 3) i wonder what i'm missing with more expensive grinders
I also don't have the patience to weigh either beans into the bin or grounds going into my portafilter which means i really should get a weight-based system or a timer-based system. Weight-based makes mroe sense to me.
1) I usually stick with one bean 2) i'd prefer to grind directly 3) i have read a bit about the difference and don't really understand so i don't really have a preference. 4) i don't really care
emradguy Senior Member Joined: 31 Mar 2011 Posts: 3,519 Location: Houston Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Fri Jan 4, 2013, 1:53pm Subject: Re: Is Elektra Sixties T1 an Upgrade from an Alex Duetto II?
Well for one, the Vario has a flat burr set. The Robur burr set is conical. Robur is considered the gold standard for conical grinders. However, it's impractical for most home users, largely due to it's size, but also because of the amount of grounds retained between shots, so if you're in a shop, pulling multiple shots back to back, this isn't much of an issue. The HG one grinder addresses both issues, being under cabinet size and having a vertical gravity powered exit chute, so ground retention is about as low as on any other grinder. It's hand powered, so there will be virtually no heating of the beans as they are ground. the Mazzer Major is arguably the gold standard of flat burr sets. the advantages the HG one offer the Robur are still present. Also, the Major burrs are much larger. I'm no expert, but I believe larger burrs have been proven over time to be better in general, all other things considered being equal. I'd actually, like to hear someone with more grinder expertise chime in on this...
...but then again, wasn't this thread about the differences between an Elektra T1 and an Izzo Alex Duetto?
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