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scanfield
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Posted Mon Dec 17, 2012, 8:31am
Subject: Re: Decision Time Breville or Nuova Era
 

calblacksmith Said:

And on a slightly similar note, I can buy crap coffee on every corner and if I want good coffee, I need to make an effort to get it.

Posted December 17, 2012 link

I'm fortunate to have some seriously excellent coffee available around where I live and work. I'm making espresso at home for the convenience and joy of it. I do still visit my favorite places because I enjoy the people there as much as I enjoy the coffee. I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic though.



calblacksmith Said:

If you want hot water just pull some shots without coffee in the PF. The dilution rate of water on a small commercial or prosumer machine is pretty quick. I have a 2.5 l boiler, bigger than yours and a LOT bigger than the steam boiler on the BDB. When pulling water through the hot water wand, I can get about 10oz of water that is useable for something like tea, the first water comes out at boiling then quickly drops due to the influx of water into the boiler.

Posted December 16, 2012 link

When I first complained about the the hot water wand being useless, I was told that if I do use it, do not remove more than 4 oz at a time because the boiler refills slowly and if the heating element is on, it can be damaged if the water level is low. I ended up buying a dedicated electronic tea kettle that's pretty awesome. I can get the exact water temperature I want very quickly. It's perfect for making a french press as well.

calblacksmith Said:

Most machines have preinfusion built into them. The BDB uses the pump being pulsed to do it while other machines such as those based on the E61 GH have a spring piston to perform the same function. Does your brew pressure gauge jump straight to 9 bar or does it take about 5 seconds to climb there? Yep, that is preinfusion.

Posted December 16, 2012 link

The La Nuova Era Cuadra doesn't have a brew pressure gauge, so I have no idea.
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Posted Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:40am
Subject: Re: Decision Time Breville or Nuova Era
 

The reference was to being able to buy  the BDB local but buying a better machine would require sending off to an online vendor, just like crap coffee is for sale local but if I want good coffee, I need to put some effort into buying it.

For nearly unlimited hot water, use the HX circuit not the water wand. The wand is a "feature" found on commercial machines with boilers that hold multi gallons of hot water, not the 1.8l of water that your or the 2.5 l of water that my machine holds, It is OK to take a little water from it but just use the HX system and all is OK. BTW the BDB steam boiler is .95l or about half the size of yours, if you don't like the volume of hot water from your machine, you REALLY would not like what you get from the BDB.

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Features:

   E61 Grouphead -


Yes you have pre infusion. You can augment the natural pre infusion of the E61 because you have a lever in your hand that you control the water flow with, you can pre infuse for an hour if you so choose to do so, not that this would result in good coffee but .... you do have the ability.

 
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scanfield
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Espresso: La Nuovo Era Cuadra
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Posted Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:10am
Subject: Re: Decision Time Breville or Nuova Era
 

calblacksmith Said:

For nearly unlimited hot water, use the HX circuit not the water wand. The wand is a "feature" found on commercial machines with boilers that hold multi gallons of hot water, not the 1.8l of water that your or the 2.5 l of water that my machine holds, It is OK to take a little water from it but just use the HX system and all is OK. BTW the BDB steam boiler is .95l or about half the size of yours, if you don't like the volume of hot water from your machine, you REALLY would not like what you get from the BDB.

Posted December 17, 2012 link

The hot water on the BDB comes from the 300 mL brew boiler, not the 950 mL steam boiler. I understand what you are saying though. I think no matter what machine I picked (I had a $1500 budget for machine and grinder), I would still have ended up buying a separate tea kettle.

FWIW, Mark Prince also recommends the BDB to people when they ask him what machine to get. I might be a babbling idiot, but few people have as much experience with as many different machines and coffees as Mark. It's a shame that he doesn't participate on his own site because I'd love to hear his take on a question like this.
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Posted Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:53pm
Subject: Re: Decision Time Breville or Nuova Era
 

washburned Said:

I just got off the phone with them. The person I spoke with owned and prefered the Nuova in part because of the e-61 group head and then the ascetics. Both of which the Bezzera does not.



Its actually 930 once tax is figured in through direct buy, I have a friend with an account

Posted December 17, 2012 link

At $930 for the BDB, I would get it and never look back...it is a great machine
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Posted Mon Dec 17, 2012, 1:46pm
Subject: Re: Decision Time Breville or Nuova Era
 

If the BDB continues to trend in the positive direction and it does prove to have a reasonable life, then it will be a good machine. It is still too new for me to give it a thumbs up, however I have stopped giving it a do not buy recommendation, I am neither for or against it but buyers do deserve to know the full story so they can make an informed choice.

 
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Posted Mon Dec 17, 2012, 4:07pm
Subject: Re: Decision Time Breville or Nuova Era
 

washburned Said:

I just got off the phone with them. The person I spoke with owned and prefered the Nuova in part because of the e-61 group head and then the ascetics. Both of which the Bezzera does not.

Posted December 17, 2012 link

Both are subjective at best.  You can make good espresso without an e61 group head.  The e61 is not the be all, end all and the Bezzera is more than capable with it's heated group head of making a great cup.  As well, just because the rep said the Nuova was better looking to him does not mean that that's how you should feel.  I personally don't like the way the Nuova looks in part because of it's bulbous shape.   I much prefer the clean straight lines of the Bezzera which might come into play if you don't have a lot of counter top space.  The Bezzera is only 9.5" wide so it can fit into a lot of places a 14.5" wide Nuova can't.
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washburned
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Posted Mon Dec 17, 2012, 6:59pm
Subject: Re: Decision Time Breville or Nuova Era
 

sn_85 Said:

Both are subjective at best.  You can make good espresso without an e61 group head.  The e61 is not the be all, end all and the Bezzera is more than capable with it's heated group head of making a great cup.  As well, just because the rep said the Nuova was better looking to him does not mean that that's how you should feel.  I personally don't like the way the Nuova looks in part because of it's bulbous shape.   I much prefer the clean straight lines of the Bezzera which might come into play if you don't have a lot of counter top space.  The Bezzera is only 9.5" wide so it can fit into a lot of places a 14.5" wide Nuova can't.

Posted December 17, 2012 link

I should add that she did not say the e-61 was better just a difference between the two.
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Posted Tue Dec 18, 2012, 5:27am
Subject: Re: Decision Time Breville or Nuova Era
 

calblacksmith Said:

If the BDB continues to trend in the positive direction and it does prove to have a reasonable life, then it will be a good machine. It is still too new for me to give it a thumbs up, however I have stopped giving it a do not buy recommendation, I am neither for or against it but buyers do deserve to know the full story so they can make an informed choice.

Posted December 17, 2012 link

I think your point of view is understandable.

However, it would be hard for him to do better at the $900 price point. Also, Breville has provided excellent customer service for this machine (hoping it stays the same for years to come).

I was on the fence on the BDB, and waited a year to get mine for the same reasons you described. I'm accustomed to working on my machine, replace my own parts, and have successfully descale my machine at least 5 times. Having a standard design with user replaceable parts is a big plus.

After 3 weeks, I'm very happy with mine and feel I made the right decision. But the pros and cons are there, and all things need to be considered
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Posted Tue Dec 18, 2012, 7:38am
Subject: Re: Decision Time Breville or Nuova Era
 

I am with Wayne, and for the same reasons.  I no longer recommend people stay way from the BDB -- though I still urge people to avoid other Brevilles -- but I cannot recommend the BDB either.  

cafeespresso Said:

After 3 weeks, I'm very happy with mine and feel I made the right decision. But the pros and cons are there, and all things need to be considered

Posted December 18, 2012 link

After three years, I'll be more impressed.  Three weeks, you should still be in the "honeymoon phase."  ;^)

 
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scanfield
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Posted Tue Dec 18, 2012, 9:14am
Subject: Re: Decision Time Breville or Nuova Era
 

JasonBrandtLewis Said:

After three years, I'll be more impressed.  Three weeks, you should still be in the "honeymoon phase."  ;^)

Posted December 18, 2012 link

My honeymoon phase lasted about 2 hours. I made so many bad espressos in the beginning that I had severe buyers regret for the first month or so. Then as I managed to get a decent shot once in a while, my happiness trended up. It probably peaked when I realized that I was routinely (ie 75% of the time) making coffee as good as the cafe in my neighborhood. Now I'm finding that my interest in coffee is waning a little because it's become a very mundane routine.

I'm wondering what everybody else does to maintain their interest in coffee? I ordered some big latte cups from Intelligentsia to play with some latte art and find myself thinking about getting into roasting. What other frontiers are their to explore?
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