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Coffeenoobie
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Espresso: N S Oscar
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Posted Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:03pm
Subject: Re: Quick Question: Timing Shots?
 

Thanks for the kind words.  I try to document stuff to help others so I am glad I was able to help you. It sounds like you are doing really well to me.  Always listen to machines, they will tell you when they are in trouble if you listen to them.

Since you live so close to NS, I should pay you to pop over there and get me the musica restrictors I want and mail them to me.  They want me to send 25 $ minimum order to get them and I think they are like $5.

Ok, what I do depends on the beans.  Stumptown and a few others like the 20 g range.  Mostly I am in the 18g range with redbird and blue jag I think is closer to 19g.  I use a range VST baskets and I need a VST 20 g basket to finish my set.  

Tamping,
I handle my puck too much but when I don't get sprites and side channeling.  I have since read the vst baskets are milled so well that they are so smooth that they tend side channel.  Since then, I have used an SOS pad to scrub the sides to get a bit of tooth for traction and I think that has helped.  I want to get an steel wool pad with no soap and do it one more time.  I am not trying to mar them just knock the shine off them so they they don't side channel so much.  I also feel like my tamper is a bit on the small side.  

This is what I do:
Grind into the "yogurt cup basket command strip tape" set up on my vario w.  I stir lightly with a turkey lacer needle to spread out the grinds and pull the cup off. I use a strange cheese knife I had from a wedding gift I never had a use for before to spread out the grounds and not touch them.  My hands seem to be always a bit damp in the kitchen.  I wash them a lot when I am cooking.  I then do the tamping ritual.  This is what I would like to streamline.  I do a light tamp at the edge of the basket in the 4 corners, N-S-E-W.  Then a hard tamp in the middle.  Lock and load.  I no longer try to for the really slow drippy pulls because the rising temp during that slow of a pull makes the pull taste charred to me.  When I get the restrictors I will go back and try for those again.

 
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Espresso: ECM Technika IV Profi WT-WC
Grinder: Baratza Forte AP, HG One
Vac Pot: Bunn Trifecta MB
Drip: Moka, Aeropress, Hario V60
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:43pm
Subject: Re: Quick Question: Timing Shots?
 

Wow, thanks for all the info. I've been eyeing the VST baskets for some time. I'm using the standard double shot NS basket that is slightly tapered on the bottom, not straight up and down like the VST or Saeco baskets. I also have a generic triple shot basket that came with my naked PF from CC. I've only tried it once and it seems to work okay-ish. I'll try and remember your part the next time I head down to NS. I forgot to grab a set of case screws, since I'm missing a couple. I also want replacement plastic handles for two of my PFs, since they're cracked.

Ever since switching to timing from the first drip to the pump start I've noticed my shots are a lot more even--I think I was burning my coffee, as you describe. I would get better mottling on the longer shots, but no pour cone and it would take forever to pull.

Also, I've read that it's not a good idea to use darker roasts with visible oils on the outside because it's bad for the grinder? I've been using single-origin light roasts almost exclusively for months, such as Tanzanian Peaberry and Guatemala Antigua. While I do love those, I'm wanting to try some darker roasts again and wondering what I should be careful of when using them. Can I assume tiger striping on light roasts is significantly lighter than that on dark roasts?
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Posted Tue Nov 20, 2012, 1:50am
Subject: Re: Quick Question: Timing Shots?
 

I hated the NS basket and my tamper did not fit in it the taper of the basket stopped it.   There are 2 restristors I need, I can't remember how much money I think under $10 total.  It was not very much.  Let me post the part numbers.  I would appreciate it if you can get them when you go again. They want too much for shipping and minimum order.

I don't use oil beans.  I don't like the taste of them.  I think I am over sensitive to the char taste.


07300684 GIGLEUR M8X8 F.3,2
07300225 GIGLEUR M8X8 F.3 AG.28.05.93.
05000185     .95 cents each foot pad  I am missing one foot pad

 
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Grinder: Baratza Forte AP, HG One
Vac Pot: Bunn Trifecta MB
Drip: Moka, Aeropress, Hario V60
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Tue Nov 20, 2012, 4:58am
Subject: Re: Quick Question: Timing Shots?
 

What kind of tamper are you using? I'm using the super cheap convex one from RSVP and I've been getting decent results with it.
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Posted Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:01pm
Subject: Re: Quick Question: Timing Shots?
 

Chinese nameless tamper I got at Kobo's coffee in Portland.  I was desperate for a tamper- I just gotten my machine.  I had to replace the screw threads that hold the base on the handle and I used some glue as well. It does the job, I just feel it could be a hair larger.

 
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Posted Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:54am
Subject: Re: Quick Question: Timing Shots?
 

How are the shots coming?

 
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