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Park_Ridge_Dave
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Posted Fri May 24, 2013, 4:59am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

So Whole Latte Love posted a video of Marc and Megan making a Cafe Crema. I was intrigued and am trying to replicate that drink on my BDB. Some times I just want a "cup of good coffee" (American style lol).

So far I have pulled 3 drinks and they are pretty good.

I have a Baratza Vario grinder and am at 5 M on the dial(s). My extraction pressure is about 3-4 bar and I am shooting for a 30 sec. "pull" (including  "standard" pre-infusion time/pressure). I am charging 16g in the BDB double basket

Is anyone else playing around with this drink?

If so how do you do it (Pressure, tamp, charge etc.)?

OBTW about 700 "real" shots on my machine and I have had it about 7 months. So far no problems.

Cheers,

Dave

 
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Posted Fri May 24, 2013, 6:09am
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Park_Ridge_Dave Said:

So Whole Latte Love posted a video of Marc and Megan making a Cafe Crema. I was intrigued and am trying to replicate that drink on my BDB. Some times I just want a "cup of good coffee" (American style lol).

So far I have pulled 3 drinks and they are pretty good.

I have a Baratza Vario grinder and am at 5 M on the dial(s). My extraction pressure is about 3-4 bar and I am shooting for a 30 sec. "pull" (including  "standard" pre-infusion time/pressure). I am charging 16g in the BDB double basket

Is anyone else playing around with this drink?

If so how do you do it (Pressure, tamp, charge etc.)?

OBTW about 700 "real" shots on my machine and I have had it about 7 months. So far no problems.

Cheers,

Dave

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3-4 bar?? Seems way too low, you should be around 9 or so
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Park_Ridge_Dave
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Posted Fri May 24, 2013, 8:35am
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CMIN Said:

3-4 bar?? Seems way too low, you should be around 9 or so

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9 bar for Espresso, but, this is, supposedly, like a throw back to the early days of Italian Press coffee (at least that's what I gathered from the video) so it's ground much coarser and, thus, it doesn't develop the 9 bar back pressure. It comes out better (to me) than an Americano, but, it's still a "work in process".  

Here is the video URL:

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kyrhLPH-ejk"

Anyway, I am always "putzing around" lol looking for new ways to experience coffee.

Dave

 
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Posted Fri May 24, 2013, 8:39am
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16 grams in a standard Breville 900 double charge basket? ya, 3 to 4 bar would be about as much as one could expect.  There would be little to no stable structure to cause any more pressure resistance - just the blockage of 'grains' of coffee at the screen surface.

As toward how I came up with the number Michael; Josh notated the key press sequence directly above my post for the count and mental gymnastics (times 10) of the resulting displayed number. I remember historic information (here, HB, or CS AUS ?) relating the counter tallied cycles of 7 seconds by manual, single, or double volumetric button depress.

Of course, I may have a serious loss of oxygen to brain cells incident in progress... however, even though it is a large number over a relatively short period of time, I can look back at the day after day of my life and honestly acknowledge - I may have made a dietary mistake in buying such a toy with such overwhelming permutations.  (but, My Doctor already knew I wouldn't give up coffee...)
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Posted Fri May 24, 2013, 8:58am
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For those that have had other espresso machines, which machine would you say the BDB compares to in steaming milk? How long would it take to steam enough milk for two lattes?
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MerleApAmber
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Posted Fri May 24, 2013, 9:56am
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Hey Vinnie,
I wouldn't say my old Krupps, nor *$s Saeco would qualify by your criteria.
However, I can get 4 to 6 ounces of milk to 140F or above with loads of microfoam in less time than it takes to pull a doubleshot. A larger container, more liquid mass... some bit longer. Depends of course on how you parse the workflow.
One thing I can't repeat often enough from my experience with spray drier nozzles - and now here making milk drinks with coffee, clean steam nozzles on espresso machines can make profound differences to those which are only lightly fouled.
-/Chris
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Posted Fri May 24, 2013, 1:15pm
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cuznvin Said:

For those that have had other espresso machines, which machine would you say the BDB compares to in steaming milk? How long would it take to steam enough milk for two lattes?

Posted May 24, 2013 link

The BDB gives you great control and consistency, but it is a bit slow (slower than the Silvia, for instance). I do one latte in 25-30 seconds and repeat for a second latte, steaming while I pull the shot. That way I can build each drink with fresh espresso and milk. Having faster steam wouldn't speed things up much.

I would say that many machines provide greater volumes of steam, but few are as dry and controlled. Keep in mind I've only used 10 or so different machines.
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Posted Fri May 24, 2013, 1:17pm
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biochemgawd Said:

The BDB gives you great control and consistency, but it is a bit slow (slower than the Silvia, for instance). I do one latte in 25-30 seconds and repeat for a second latte, steaming while I pull the shot. That way I can build each drink with fresh espresso and milk. Having faster steam wouldn't speed things up much.

I would say that many machines provide greater volumes of steam, but few are as dry and controlled. Keep in mind I've only used 10 or so different machines.

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ten compared to my zero is a lot
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Posted Fri May 24, 2013, 1:46pm
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cuznvin Said:

For those that have had other espresso machines, which machine would you say the BDB compares to in steaming milk? How long would it take to steam enough milk for two lattes?

Posted May 24, 2013 link

This may help you
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JMFishtown
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Posted Sat May 25, 2013, 6:48pm
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For how long it takes to make two latte's it all depends on how 'classic' you're making them.

I do this most mornings and I use about 4-6 oz of milk for each latte.

It takes me about 20 seconds to grind, distribute, and tamp. I lock in the portafilter; pour my milk and then start steaming, once I have the steam on I start the shot and they tend to finish at the same time (about 38 seconds).  I pour, knock, wipe, and start the process over again.  With everything involved it probably takes me 2-4 minutes to make both latte's.
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