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BubbaDude
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Location: Frisco Bay
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Posted Thu Nov 1, 2012, 7:41pm Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

I'm not sure what a "session" is in Phil's lingo, so I took it to mean "a day." When I pull a shot, I dry the basket, fill, tamp, and then pre-flush for 6 seconds to stabilize the water temp before I lock in. After the shot I just knock out the puck and wipe off the screen and the basket with a cloth. During the shot, I try to keep the pressure around 9 to 9.5, extraction time on the clock 30 - 35 seconds, and temp for most roasts at 200-201. I use the default pre-infusion times. I also weigh everything, typically 18.5 g in the basket and 37 in the cup. This has been my routine since February, and no problems so far.

"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince

JohnLyn
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Posted Thu Nov 1, 2012, 8:11pm Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

Sorry yes, by "session" I mean day. or in my world, morning. sounds exactly like my process for when I pull a shot, except for the backflush when I'm done and the machine goes off. So when you're done you just wipe down the dispersion screen and shut her down eh? I'm just asking because that is what I am going to start doing...

BubbaDude
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Posted Thu Nov 1, 2012, 8:33pm Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread

JohnLyn Said: Sorry yes, by "session" I mean day. or in my world, morning. sounds exactly like my process for when I pull a shot, except for the backflush when I'm done and the machine goes off. So when you're done you just wipe down the dispersion screen and shut her down eh? I'm just asking because that is what I am going to start doing... Posted November 1, 2012 link I shut down the machine when I'm done for the day, if it hasn't already powered itself off, but in between shots I let it stay on.

"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince

CaliforniaBear
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Posted Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:12pm Subject: Not having good results

Hello All, I have had my BDB for a little over a month now and I am having inconsistent results. I've paired it with a Rocky. (To give proper background, I have several years experience with a PID'd LeLit PL041.) With the BDB, I've tried to be ultrascientific about it -- 18-20g weighed, 32-36g extraction, etc., good reputation coffee (Barefoot, Verve, etc.) But I'm just not getting the flavor. The hardest thing to take are my wife's comments that "it just doesn't have that much coffee flavor." I'm setting it 200 degrees with anywhere from 3-7 sec preinfusion (the latter doesn't seem to matter much). I get absolutely beautiful crema, tiger striping, etc. Tastes ok as espresso - not great, and completely drowned out in milk. What could I be doing wrong? I hate to blame my equipment but I'm starting to think there's something wrong with the machine. (BTW no OPV problem it rarely goes higher than 9 bars).

swimjay
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Location: Berkeley, CA 94708
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Espresso: Breville BES900XL
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Posted Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:49pm Subject: Re: Not having good results

Bear-- I wonder if it's possible your Lelit was running a bit hot, or cold, and that's what you've gotten used to. Since you seem to have all the other variables controlled for, what about trying a few shots with the the Breville set to different temps? If your using a SO or a blend w/ a lot of "bright" coffee, you might want to try 198. Or for some Centrals, try 202. IMHO you'll definitely taste a difference, but of course no guarantee it will get you back to what you were used to. Going to 195 or 205 would be interesting to try--205 might have more of a "third wave" taste, 195 more of a conventional coffee taste. I'd be very interested to hear what your experience is; I think there's, especially with coffee, a huge "learned" component to what we experience and what we appreciate.

carz07
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Joined: 20 Oct 2012
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Location: Philippines
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Espresso: Breville Dual Boiler
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Posted Sat Nov 3, 2012, 7:22pm Subject: Re: Not having good results

swimjay Said: Bear-- If your using a SO or a blend w/ a lot of "bright" coffee, you might want to try 198. Or for some Centrals, try 202. IMHO you'll definitely taste a difference, but of course no guarantee it will get you back to what you were used to. Going to 195 or 205 would be interesting to try--205 might have more of a "third wave" taste, 195 more of a conventional coffee taste. Posted November 3, 2012 link hi, im here in the philippines and espresso i charged like a regular coffee here, sometimes it might not be worth buying it specially if you know the counter personel is not a barista you dont if they are pulling the shots correctly. now, ive taste starbucks and cinnabon espresso, they are bold, strong and balanced. they are just straight strong coffee. my question here with regard to temp and bright coffee is this - my roaster has a blend and im getting this faint reaction on my palate, same with the SO, is this bright acidity? how come i didnt get this from starbucks houseblend and cinnabon? am i extracting correctly? or was starbucks and cinnabon just using flat balanced coffee? ive read somewhere that to eliminate the sourness i have to increase the temp, which works best? is this reaction in the palate sourness or acidity? is it a poor shot?

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BubbaDude
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Posted Sun Nov 4, 2012, 1:16pm Subject: Daylight Savings Time

I'm very disappointed that the BDB doesn't automatically adjust to the end of Daylight Savings Time. This is a major design defect that has totally changed by attitude about this machine.

"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince

lowellw2
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Joined: 4 Apr 2010
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Location: Austin TX
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Espresso: Breville BES900XL
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Posted Sun Nov 4, 2012, 7:20pm Subject: Re: Daylight Savings Time

BubbaDude - LOL, that is really a serious defect - even more disconcerting than my complaint! Of course, I think you pointed out that I should be cleaning my water tank every week or so and thus could monitor when the filter needed changing. I considered taking your advice, but ultimately decided I might then get concerned my water pipes needed to be cleaned and then started to think about what could be growing in my RO system and I dont want to even think what might be in my water well. I concluded to blow it all off and just enjoy what comes out of the portafilter. As a potential solution to your concern I guess you could consider a move to Arizona or Hawaii, which, I think, do not observe DST.

klund
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Joined: 31 Mar 2012
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Location: Southern MN, USA
Expertise: I like coffee

Espresso: Breville Dual Boiler
Grinder: Baratza Vario-W

Posted Sun Nov 4, 2012, 8:04pm Subject: Re: Daylight Savings Time

I'm very disappointed with my machine, too. I put my grocery list on top of it this morning, and when I returned, it only purchased half of the items I wanted. Serious defect, IMHO.

-- klund Well then, you should see me without coffee.

BubbaDude
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Posted Sun Nov 4, 2012, 8:32pm Subject: Re: Daylight Savings Time

klund Said: I'm very disappointed with my machine, too. I put my grocery list on top of it this morning, and when I returned, it only purchased half of the items I wanted. Serious defect, IMHO. Posted November 4, 2012 link Maybe your pre-infusion time was too short.

"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince

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