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skaman
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Grinder: mini mazzer
Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 9:11am
Subject: which espresso maker to buy without grinder
 

Hello, brand new to the site - but love good americano/canadiano coffee.

I checked with this site several years ago, and based on what I read, bought the Mazzer Mini grinder that I've been very happy with since.

Now I'm looking for an espresso machine without a grinder to pull a good espresso shot with. I don't need the milk foamer, or a grinder, just a good quality simple machine. Is there such a beast or do the grinder and espresso maker always come together?
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GVDub
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Espresso: Londinium I, Arrarex...
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Drip: Behmor Brazen, Abid Clever
Roaster: Behmor 1600+
Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 9:20am
Subject: Re: which espresso maker to buy without grinder
 

You're lucky, already having a good grinder. No, the espresso machine and grinder don't always come together. With the Mazzer Mini, you've got a grinder that can help you get top results from almost any machine that's capable of pulling a decent shot.

Questions: What kind of drinks do you do (I know you mentioned Americano/Canadiano) and how many in a single session and how many per day? Do you tend to stick with a single coffee or do you switch between different beans and blends on a regular basis? Do you absolutely never do milk drinks or only occasionally? Are you looking for a machine that will last you for a decade+ or just for a few years? What's your budget, generally speaking? How deeply do you want to be involved in the extraction process (complete OCD control-freak level, or closer to grind it, tamp it, push a button and drink what comes out)?
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MisterJohnnyT
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 1:11pm
Subject: Re: which espresso maker to buy without grinder
 

What's your budget?
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skaman
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 1:40pm
Subject: Re: which espresso maker to buy without grinder
 

Right now we use a drip machine to brew anywhere from 4-8 cups at a time..but usually two full americanos at a time is good. When we have guests that would naturally increase to four or eight cups.

We usually stick to one grind/blend, and never have milk drinks (although I wouldn't discount a machine that has that capability).
Yes, I tend to prefer quality that will last, and I would hope to be able  achieve this for under $1500.00?

As a beginner I'm not too much into the extraction process, (but I am a bit of OCD personality and do enjoy great coffee), so grind it, tamp it and pushing a button has appeal.

Thanks for the reply and any insights you can provide given my somewhat limited experience is appreciated.
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skaman
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 1:41pm
Subject: Re: which espresso maker to buy without grinder
 

I'd like to get something of decent quality for under $1500.00 with any luck.
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GVDub
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 3:50pm
Subject: Re: which espresso maker to buy without grinder
 

$1500 gives you a fair amount of leeway, and if you're considering the used market, a huge potential if you're patient and get educated in what to look for. Personally, I have a tendency to look for used, as it's a way to get a higher level machine for what I have to spend. Then again, I'm willing to tinker with stuff to make it work (although that can get a little strange sometimes, as with my current HX machine). At this point, I'll let people who have direct experience with different machines take over, since that will probably be more germane that any theorizing I can do.
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 4:12pm
Subject: Re: which espresso maker to buy without grinder
 

skaman Said:

Now I'm looking for an espresso machine without a grinder to pull a good espresso shot with. I don't need the milk foamer, or a grinder, just a good quality simple machine. Is there such a beast or do the grinder and espresso maker always come together?

Posted October 14, 2012 link

Only the BAD espresso machines come with a built-in grinder.  In other words, no machine you'd actually like to buy comes with a built-in grinder.

Before anyone can really make any worthy suggestions for you to look at, there are the Standard Questions that need answers.  (Remember: the more specific you can be, the more specific we can be!)

Standard Questions:
1)  What kind of drinks do you like/want to make?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's capabilities.)
2)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself needing to make at ay one time? (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's ability to work continuously.)
3)  How many drinks, on average, do you see yourself making in any given week?  (This will tell us what you need in terms of a machine's durability.)
4)  Can you plumb a machine directly into the water supply, or do you want/need a pourover machine with its own reservoir?
5)  Do you have a 20-amp circuit available, or only a (standard) 15-amp circuit?
6)  What is your budget for a new machine?

skaman Said:

-- Right now we use a drip machine to brew anywhere from 4-8 cups at a time..but usually two full americanos at a time is good. When we have guests that would naturally increase to four or eight cups.
-- We usually stick to one grind/blend, and never have milk drinks (although I wouldn't discount a machine that has that capability).
-- Yes, I tend to prefer quality that will last, and I would hope to be able  achieve this for under $1500.00?
-- As a beginner I'm not too much into the extraction process, (but I am a bit of OCD personality and do enjoy great coffee), so grind it, tamp it and pushing a button has appeal.

Posted October 14, 2012 link

Don't sell yourself short . . .

Are you familiar with the different types of espresso machines?  Even of you think you are, I would strongly advise that you take a few moments to read THIS post.

It isn't a matter of not being "into the extraction process," as you put it, but rather having a desire to drink great coffee.  I would suggest you look at either semi-automatic or volumetrically dosed, full-automatic machines, and avoid the mediocre super-autos.  

You've got a good grinder, take advantage of it!

Cheers,
Jason

 
A morning without coffee is sleep . . .
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qualin
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Location: Calgary, AB
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Izzo Alex Duetto 3
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Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 7:10pm
Subject: Re: which espresso maker to buy without grinder
 

For $1500 new, you are probably into the lower to mid end of Heat Exchanging Semi-Automatic machines, which isn't a bad thing.

Something like the Bezzera Magica would probably much do everything you need and then some if you want to use a machine with a vibratory pump and reservoir,
which should be adequate for your drink volumes. It's $100 over your budget, but having a true E61 group makes the machine a bit more serviceable. Alternatively,
you could consider the La Cuadra Nuova. which isn't as well known as the Bezzera, but they're a good starter HX machine for the money, from what I've heard. I was
tempted to upgrade to one of these to replace my Silvia because they're nearly blowing them out.. the problem is, nobody where I live will service them. :-(

From my point of view, there are a lot of heat exchanging machines in the prosumer class which are in the $900-$2000 range. There is only one double boiler machine which
is below the $2000 mark and it's reliability is still in question, that is the Breville Double Boiler. Can I recommend it? I have no idea because I haven't owned one yet. There
was a huge thread on here about them and supposedly they have rock solid temperature stability. The one huge drawback to these machines is that you have to send them
off to a Breville service depot to get them descaled because the machine will lock you out until the service is done. Well, you do get what you pay for I guess.

The other question I have.. How much upgradeitis do you want to suffer through? :-)

 
Garbage In, Garbage Out, for every step of the process. From Beans to grinder, grounds to machine, coffee to cup.
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Markarian
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Markarian
Joined: 27 Jun 2012
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Location: Seattle Area
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: ECM Technika IV Profi WT-WC
Grinder: Baratza Forte AP, HG One
Vac Pot: Bunn Trifecta MB
Drip: Moka, Aeropress, Hario V60
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Sun Oct 14, 2012, 10:20pm
Subject: Re: which espresso maker to buy without grinder
 

I guess I could throw in my recommendation for the Oscar. It still keeps on going, and has tolerated years of abuse from a former owner. It's not a shiny metal cube (is there a name for this class of home machine?) but it gets the job done. $1500 does give you a bit more room to play with, though.
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NobbyR
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Location: Germany
Expertise: I love coffee

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Posted Mon Oct 15, 2012, 2:29am
Subject: Re: which espresso maker to buy without grinder
 

skaman Said:

... As a beginner I'm not too much into the extraction process, (but I am a bit of OCD personality and do enjoy great coffee), so grind it, tamp it and pushing a button has appeal ...

Posted October 14, 2012 link

Well, as long as you want to make good espresso for your americanos, and you should, you'll have to look into getting extraction right, which basically means getting a grip on grinding with just the right fineness, and dosing and tamping consistently. As far as just pushing a button is concerned, you can look into automatic espresso machines, i.e. machines that use volumetric dosage like the Bezzera BZ07 DE, for example.

 
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