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Posted Thu Oct 11, 2012, 5:38pm
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qualin Said:

I could, but I want to be fair to the vendors. They can look at each others websites like anyone else, I just don't want to embarrass anyone.

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They DO look at each other's websites . . . what? If you want to keep a secret, you post it on the web???

 
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Posted Thu Oct 11, 2012, 6:38pm
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

They DO look at each other's websites . . . what? If you want to keep a secret, you post it on the web???

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Only if they are computer illiterate. :-)

 
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Posted Thu Oct 11, 2012, 7:07pm
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

If you want to keep a secret, you post it on the web???

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Huh.... wonder if that's how everyone found out I drink Starbucks. Hmm,, best keep it limited to Facebook to be safe.
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Posted Thu Oct 11, 2012, 7:50pm
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qualin Said:

I'm willing to spend $100-$300 more for equipment if I know that I can get service on it locally.

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Well said! Cost of the machine is only one cost. Other costs can factor in such as how easy or cheap it is to get worked on.  Also, I'm willing to pay more for good service over bad service.

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I had two reps from Filter Queen try and sell me a $3000 vacuum cleaner.. Filter Queen should make espresso machines which clean up their own grounds... :-)
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Ha! This made me chuckle :)
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Posted Thu Oct 11, 2012, 8:14pm
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Additionally, sometimes -- when you take a machine across the border -- it voids the warranty.
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Probably but easy to check.  I picked up my first machine at CC directly.  I knew then that Chris would have honnor the warranty if something massive happend.  But obviousy i never expected him to cover for shipping and potential custom problem. My Mini-vivaldi proved to be very reliable and i never had to get it service it the last 4 years.

I bought my Rocket here in Montréal because it was a new model and I wanted to make sure i could get services fast if needed.
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Posted Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:55pm
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I have to chime in that the Duetto is hands down an easier machine to get consistant shots compared to an HX machine.  Before the Duetto, I had an Andrea Premium and it just took a little more work to get the perfect shot.   Don't get me wrong, the Andreja was an awesome machine - just required a little more skill.  The other consideration is noise.   The rotary pump in the Duetto is incredibly quiet.   Good luck with your decision.
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Posted Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:42am
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On the other hand, the rotary pump in my machine is almost as noisy as the vibe pump on an Oscar so I think noise is more machine dependent than a complete function of the type of pump.

And as a counter point to the hands down DB/HX comment, I have a much easier time getting great shots on my HX than I do on the 2 gp LM double boiler at a coffee shop that I am trying to help get the most from their equipment. We have checked temp and pressure yet the problems still persist. So, again, YMMV!

 
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Posted Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:59am
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Some people like to drive standard and some like automatic cars.   A lot of it is what you are used too or learned on.  Both get you where you are going - the experience is difference but the end is the same.

 
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Posted Sat Oct 27, 2012, 4:20am
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I just want to mention one thing about the Rocket R58. The steam boiler uses a thermostat instead of a pressurestat.   This creates latency in recovery.  not sure how much that would affect you . but personally I'd think about it.

I think between your choice of machines I would put 2 to first place
The Izzo Duetto.   very fine machine.
Also very fine is the Brewtus version 4.  
I personally would pick up the Brewtus  because i have 5 years experience with version 2.
Support from WLL is spotty, but i think Zcafe has a solid reputation.

I don't drink tea much though.....

You mention you would use the hot water feature of the machine quite a bit.....  One thing:
I flush the steam boiler of my machine weekly with distilled water so I never have to worry about scale build up.
In your case you cant really use distilled water because of the tea.... So Scale build up will be an issue at some point.  Sooner or later...
As much as I  like the convenience and ease of use of double boilers , if I drank tea often I would consider an HX as the boiler gets flushed all the time with drinking water .

I am very picky about the water that we drink and what goes into MY espresso machine.
I detest softened water as much as RO.
I have a very fine water filtration system without RO. I mix distilled and filtered water to come to a specific TDS level to add to my main boiler.  And as I mentioned only use distilled to steam.
( I would still get a rotary , but just use a bigger container to draw water from under counter. )

Anyways.  just a couple issues to think about.
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