Probably but easy to check. I picked up my first machine at CC directly. I knew then that Chris would have honnor the warranty if something massive happend. But obviousy i never expected him to cover for shipping and potential custom problem. My Mini-vivaldi proved to be very reliable and i never had to get it service it the last 4 years.
I bought my Rocket here in Montréal because it was a new model and I wanted to make sure i could get services fast if needed.
leftyrover Senior Member Joined: 13 Jun 2011 Posts: 20 Location: Seattle Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:55pm Subject: Re: Prosumer HX/DB shootout - Narrowing the choices
I have to chime in that the Duetto is hands down an easier machine to get consistant shots compared to an HX machine. Before the Duetto, I had an Andrea Premium and it just took a little more work to get the perfect shot. Don't get me wrong, the Andreja was an awesome machine - just required a little more skill. The other consideration is noise. The rotary pump in the Duetto is incredibly quiet. Good luck with your decision.
calblacksmith Moderator Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 5,679 Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A. Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:42am Subject: Re: Prosumer HX/DB shootout - Narrowing the choices
On the other hand, the rotary pump in my machine is almost as noisy as the vibe pump on an Oscar so I think noise is more machine dependent than a complete function of the type of pump.
And as a counter point to the hands down DB/HX comment, I have a much easier time getting great shots on my HX than I do on the 2 gp LM double boiler at a coffee shop that I am trying to help get the most from their equipment. We have checked temp and pressure yet the problems still persist. So, again, YMMV!
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Posted Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:59am Subject: Re: Prosumer HX/DB shootout - Narrowing the choices
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majorzx3 Senior Member Joined: 3 Jan 2002 Posts: 22 Location: Stoney Creek, ON Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Sat Oct 27, 2012, 4:20am Subject: Re: Prosumer HX/DB shootout - Narrowing the choices
I just want to mention one thing about the Rocket R58. The steam boiler uses a thermostat instead of a pressurestat. This creates latency in recovery. not sure how much that would affect you . but personally I'd think about it.
I think between your choice of machines I would put 2 to first place The Izzo Duetto. very fine machine. Also very fine is the Brewtus version 4. I personally would pick up the Brewtus because i have 5 years experience with version 2. Support from WLL is spotty, but i think Zcafe has a solid reputation.
I don't drink tea much though.....
You mention you would use the hot water feature of the machine quite a bit..... One thing: I flush the steam boiler of my machine weekly with distilled water so I never have to worry about scale build up. In your case you cant really use distilled water because of the tea.... So Scale build up will be an issue at some point. Sooner or later... As much as I like the convenience and ease of use of double boilers , if I drank tea often I would consider an HX as the boiler gets flushed all the time with drinking water .
I am very picky about the water that we drink and what goes into MY espresso machine. I detest softened water as much as RO. I have a very fine water filtration system without RO. I mix distilled and filtered water to come to a specific TDS level to add to my main boiler. And as I mentioned only use distilled to steam. ( I would still get a rotary , but just use a bigger container to draw water from under counter. )
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