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goleburn
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:54pm
Subject: La San Marco 85 flexa E single group automatic new NOT MAKING A GOOD ESPRESSO
 

Hello!
I have a La San Marco 85 Flexa E, single group, automatic, brand new.

It's making an overly creamy, watery espresso. the cream is too light colored. Using the exact same grind, compression, and coffee with

La San Marco 85 Sprint S - 2 Group, i get a good espresso.  By good I mean at around 4-5 seconds you get a nice, thin, dark rat's tail and when i shut off at 23-26 seconds there is a nice golden cream, and a great tasting espresso.

when i spoke to the techncians where they sold me the machine, they say that that is the characteric of the machine, that it makes a creamy espresso. YUK.  they don't know how to adjust the machine to produce a good espresso.

can anybody out there help me?

thanks!
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 6:00pm
Subject: La San Marco 85 flexa E single group automatic new NOT MAKING A GOOD ESPRESSO
 

Try a different grind size. How to you mesure the pump pressure? Gages can be inacurate.

Just ignore your other machine and do what need to be done on the new machine to get the best shot.

Grind size.  Coffee weight etc..
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 6:27pm
Subject: Re: La San Marco 85 flexa E single group auto new NOT MAKING GOOD ESPRESSO
 

Thanks for your reply Bgosselin.  That's what I tried...different grind sizes, compression, etc.  When I went to a finer grind or increased tamp pressure, i still got a creamy espresso, but at around 8 or 9 seconds. and it was bitter.  from what i'm reading i might need to adjust the pressure. i wrote San Marco and i'm waiting for a reply.
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 7:08pm
Subject: Re: La San Marco 85 flexa E single group automatic new NOT MAKING A GOOD..
 

I had similar issues with a low end automatic. I realize your machine is not low end, but everything I thought I knew about making espresso was wrong for my automatic. I had to use a much courser ground and that actually caused my time to increase greatly. I know that doesn't make any sense, but there is so much I don't know such as how the courser ground effected delivery and such. Keep an open mind and be willing to try something that doesn't make much sense when compared to a conventional machine.
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 6:58pm
Subject: Re: La San Marco 85 flexa E single group automatic new NOT MAKING A GOOD..
 

I checked the manual and they talk about a "palm unit" for making adjustments.  Can you adjust boiler temp for exemple?  Is the palm unit a separate item?  Have you try the pre-infusion?

At first it was difficult for me to adjust my mini vivaldi.  Instead of filing the basket i start weighting it.  Was able to adjust better that way.  I'm sold to weighting coffee doses instead of volume dosing now.

Let us know if you find a solution.
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Posted Fri Oct 5, 2012, 6:26am
Subject: Re: La San Marco 85 flexa E single group automatic new NOT MAKING A GOOD..
 

DeanOK Said:

I had similar issues with a low end automatic.

Posted October 3, 2012 link

Just to be clear, Dean, are you speaking of your Jura when you you say "automatic"?  Because the Jura is NOT an automatic -- it is a super-automatic, and there is a HUGE difference.

An automatic -- more often called a "full automatic" or a machine that features "volumetrically dosing" -- is something completely different.

 
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Posted Fri Oct 5, 2012, 6:57am
Subject: Re: La San Marco 85 flexa E single group
 

Just looking at the La San Marco website and description of the machine, they tout their 'special filter design that guarantees crema no matter what', which sounds like some sort of pressurized portafilter. If a standard commercial portafilter will fit, have you tried it with something that's not some sort of gimmicked pf?
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Posted Fri Oct 5, 2012, 10:05am
Subject: vender will let me replace with better (more expensive) machine
 

The vender is allowing me to return the machine.  The best alternative within my budget (will cost me $1300USD more) is the,


La San Marco 85 Sprint S semiautomatic  (it will cost me a total of $3870USD)

This machine is a two-group and it does make a good espresso.

Anyone own this machine? any comments on it?

here's a link to the machine on san marco's site  

Click Here (www.lasanmarco.it)


thanks!
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Posted Fri Oct 5, 2012, 10:38am
Subject: Re: vender will let me replace with better (more expensive) machine
 

goleburn Said:

The vender is allowing me to return the machine.  The best alternative within my budget (will cost me $1300USD more) is the,


La San Marco 85 Sprint S semiautomatic  (it will cost me a total of $3870USD)

This machine is a two-group and it does make a good espresso.

Anyone own this machine? any comments on it?

here's a link to the machine on san marco's site  

Click Here (www.lasanmarco.it)


thanks!

Posted October 5, 2012 link

Can you get your money back and buy another brand?  Why San marco only?  2 groups that is big for home use.  Are you using it at home or it's business use?  There is other good brand.
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Posted Fri Oct 5, 2012, 10:54am
Subject: Re: vender will let me replace with better (more expensive) machine
 

Complete rewrite:


For that money, you can buy a fantastic setup.
What is it about that brand  that you like?

There are many different makers of machines. What are you using for a grinder? The grinder is more important than the machine. For an espresso machine that is$2K I would advise a grinder in the 1 to 1.4K range for a quality match.

After the machine and the grinder, (grinder is more important than the machine) you need great coffee, fresh, within 2 weeks of being roasted.

The grind changes from day to day and even hour to hour so using the same grind as you had on a different machine, is not going to work, each machine requires it's own grind as no two machines and the parts of no two machines are exactly the same.

I wonder what if any preinfusion is being used in that machine, when it comes to small details, preinfusion can make a difference.

Also, the taste of the espresso is a very personal thing. You may spit out what I like for espresso then again you may curl your toes in a near orgasmic experience, as I often say, YMMV which is short for Your Millage May Vary. This is a phrase on the retail stickers of new cars when they  tell the consumer what to expect for miles per gallon, how you drive man (and most likely IS) going to give you a different number. Your dream shot may be something completely different than mine!

 
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Anything I post is personal opinion and is only worth as much as anyone else's personal opinion. YMMV!

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