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Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 7:42am
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calblacksmith Said:

I thought I WAS being nice...

Posted September 20, 2012 link

Just to be clear, my comment was made in humor, and not at all aimed at you... Sorry if it was perceived as such.

 
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Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 7:44am
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frcn Said:

Let's all be nice... Someone has to be the source for all the refurb machines for which Breville is (in)famous. :-O

Posted September 20, 2012 link

I really find the reaction to the BDB interesting. Yes, I understand that Breville has a historically bad name in the espresso world, so I get where it's coming from. That being said, it is a bit strange to see the huge gap in the perception of the BDB from people who own one (almost universally positive, and generally enthusiastically positive) to people who don't (generally ranging from lukewarm to I-would-never-touch-one-with-a-ten-foot-pole). I end up thinking I'm on a forum discussing the latest iPhone.

And, just to be clear, I'm not criticizing those who want to stay away from the BDB - those people tend to give very clear and specific reasons for their stand. And time might prove them 100% correct. I just really find the disconnect extreme and interesting.

 
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Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 8:00am
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From the little I know of Canadian electrical code, I kind of remember it requires kitchen receptacles to be wired as split 2-circuit/shared-neutral.  In other words, the top & bottom outlets are wired to different poles of a double circuit breaker and share one neutral wire.  Works great when done right, but there's a lot of chances for problems.

The 2 supply wires have to be on opposite phases.  If they're not, the neutral wire can be overloaded and cause a fire.

If the neutral wire has a loose/broken connection between the outlet & panel, then it's possible to get a full 220v on one outlet when a device on the other outlet is switched on.

Let us know what your electrician friend finds.
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Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 9:51am
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calblacksmith Said:

Good luck, you are a more patent man than I!

Posted September 20, 2012 link

More patient or more stupid... time will tell.

frcn Said:

Let's all be nice... Someone has to be the source for all the refurb machines for which Breville is (in)famous. :-O

Posted September 20, 2012 link

don't worry, humour is good. glad to be of service for those looking for a refurb as long as Breville Canada keeps correcting the problems.

Truth is, I knew I was taking a risk with this machine and I accept that. It is a great machine with great value for the price especially if it does pass the test of time. I like dual boilers, (although I would like to spend some time with an Hx), so my next DB price point is 2100-2700$. I ruled out thermoblocks. Time will tell if this machine is worth it and at that time I will discover if I am patient or stupid as I drop the cash on a machine that is tried and true.

DansCoffeePhase Said:

Let us know what your electrician friend finds.

Posted September 20, 2012 link

Will do. and thanks for the insight into the world of electricity.
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Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 11:05am
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I would be most interested to know how this works out for you.  Please let us know.  

It is not odd that if you have a bad reputation for making cheap throw away stuff,  that it takes a lot of time and a lot of good press to over come years of bad rep.  That is true of most anything.  

And a good rep can be trashed with one thoughtless action.  Look at Toyota ... sterling rep ruined and numbers went down fast and I believe they are still having to over come that.  I know I personally will not trust them like I did before.   That poor man that went to jail for killing his family and it was a faulty car that did it... I know I would hate Toyota if I were him.  His family and years of his life taken from him for corporate greed.

 
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Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 7:49pm
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Toyota blew it on that one for sure...
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Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 10:28pm
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When his fourth BDB had been sent, he
Checked his power and found there was plenty.
   It always amazes:
   With opposite phases,
The poor things had been running 220.
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Posted Fri Sep 21, 2012, 7:59am
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TonyVan Said:

When his fourth BDB had been sent, he
Checked his power and found there was plenty.
   It always amazes:
   With opposite phases,
The poor things had been running 220.

Posted September 20, 2012 link

who was this? and had they seriously been sent 220 units???? would that even work at all on 110 or is that the point?
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Posted Fri Sep 21, 2012, 9:05am
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Dude, TonyVan was being a poet jokester.  It was priceless Tony.  If I was not married I would propose to you, Tony,  just for that... well and your espresso machine.

 
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Posted Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:09am
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TonyVan Said:

When his fourth BDB had been sent, he
Checked his power and found there was plenty.
   It always amazes:
   With opposite phases,
The poor things had been running 220.

Posted September 20, 2012 link

Is that a limerick or an epitaph? ;)

 
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