I really find the reaction to the BDB interesting. Yes, I understand that Breville has a historically bad name in the espresso world, so I get where it's coming from. That being said, it is a bit strange to see the huge gap in the perception of the BDB from people who own one (almost universally positive, and generally enthusiastically positive) to people who don't (generally ranging from lukewarm to I-would-never-touch-one-with-a-ten-foot-pole). I end up thinking I'm on a forum discussing the latest iPhone.
And, just to be clear, I'm not criticizing those who want to stay away from the BDB - those people tend to give very clear and specific reasons for their stand. And time might prove them 100% correct. I just really find the disconnect extreme and interesting.
DansCoffeePhase Senior Member Joined: 2 Dec 2009 Posts: 28 Location: OK Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 9:00am Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
From the little I know of Canadian electrical code, I kind of remember it requires kitchen receptacles to be wired as split 2-circuit/shared-neutral. In other words, the top & bottom outlets are wired to different poles of a double circuit breaker and share one neutral wire. Works great when done right, but there's a lot of chances for problems.
The 2 supply wires have to be on opposite phases. If they're not, the neutral wire can be overloaded and cause a fire.
If the neutral wire has a loose/broken connection between the outlet & panel, then it's possible to get a full 220v on one outlet when a device on the other outlet is switched on.
don't worry, humour is good. glad to be of service for those looking for a refurb as long as Breville Canada keeps correcting the problems.
Truth is, I knew I was taking a risk with this machine and I accept that. It is a great machine with great value for the price especially if it does pass the test of time. I like dual boilers, (although I would like to spend some time with an Hx), so my next DB price point is 2100-2700$. I ruled out thermoblocks. Time will tell if this machine is worth it and at that time I will discover if I am patient or stupid as I drop the cash on a machine that is tried and true.
Coffeenoobie Senior Member Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 2,314 Location: PNW Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: N S Oscar Grinder: Vario W
Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 12:05pm Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
I would be most interested to know how this works out for you. Please let us know.
It is not odd that if you have a bad reputation for making cheap throw away stuff, that it takes a lot of time and a lot of good press to over come years of bad rep. That is true of most anything.
And a good rep can be trashed with one thoughtless action. Look at Toyota ... sterling rep ruined and numbers went down fast and I believe they are still having to over come that. I know I personally will not trust them like I did before. That poor man that went to jail for killing his family and it was a faulty car that did it... I know I would hate Toyota if I were him. His family and years of his life taken from him for corporate greed.
Coffeenoobie
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TonyVan Senior Member Joined: 24 May 2010 Posts: 269 Location: Pacific Northwest Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: GS/3, La Pavoni Grinder: Macap M7K, Rocky Drip: Kone
Posted Thu Sep 20, 2012, 11:28pm Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
When his fourth BDB had been sent, he Checked his power and found there was plenty. It always amazes: With opposite phases, The poor things had been running 220.
JohnLyn Senior Member Joined: 15 Aug 2011 Posts: 228 Location: Golden, BC, Canada Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldy Grinder: Vario Drip: Bonavita Roaster: Toastess popper
Posted Fri Sep 21, 2012, 8:59am Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
TonyVan Said:
When his fourth BDB had been sent, he Checked his power and found there was plenty. It always amazes: With opposite phases, The poor things had been running 220.
Coffeenoobie Senior Member Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 2,314 Location: PNW Expertise: I like coffee
Espresso: N S Oscar Grinder: Vario W
Posted Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:05am Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
Dude, TonyVan was being a poet jokester. It was priceless Tony. If I was not married I would propose to you, Tony, just for that... well and your espresso machine.
Coffeenoobie
Buying advice: GRINDER GRINDER GRINDER. Don't cheap out on the grinder. My coffee treasure map... Click Here (maps.google.com)
Posted Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:09am Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
TonyVan Said:
When his fourth BDB had been sent, he Checked his power and found there was plenty. It always amazes: With opposite phases, The poor things had been running 220.
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