Posted Thu Sep 13, 2012, 6:31pm Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
This machine will last you forever. Some may think it is over priced compared to other machines on the market. maybe others will chime in with opinions.
JohnLyn Senior Member Joined: 15 Aug 2011 Posts: 234 Location: Golden, BC, Canada Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Thu Sep 13, 2012, 8:22pm Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
frcn Said:
With that many computer errors, I wonder about the electrical supply. Do you use a surge protector for the machine? And, yes, I do enjoy the outdoors. This is about 6 miles from my front door:
Interesting! I have been plugging it into a power bar, which I have assumed provides surge protection (it is also rated at 1875 watts, the machine is rated at 1700). That has been the logic with other appliances. however, I am electronically ignorant. The electricity here is good, but there is definitely surges and outages. The person I talked to at Breville Canada said that they do not recommend using power bars but was not able to provide a reason. they say it should be plugged into it's own plug. Therefore, I have since picked up a one socket extension cord that is rated to 1875 watts. Is there something more specific for surge protection that I could try? because you are correct, it would suck to drop more money and have a similar problem.These ideas are interesting so please bring on the knowledge of electricity!!!
Nice shot! here's one in the alpine with Golden in the valley bottom:
Posted Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:16pm Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
steven_meyer Said:
This machine will last you forever. Some may think it is over priced compared to other machines on the market. maybe others will chime in with opinions.
I'm rebuilding an older model right now, as well as one from an other major manufacturer. My every day machine is a similar size. As much as I like them, I feel that light commercial machines are really overkill for most users. They are very large, use a lot of energy, and take a long time to warm up and cool down. If you aren't going to leave it on all day and/or use it to pull 10+ shots at a time, they don't bring $1000-$1500 worth of added cup quality/features to the table. I'm not usually a fan of "prosumer" anything, but in the case of espresso machines I have an increasingly favorable view of prosumer DB/HX when compared to light commercial machines. I would not recommend light commercial to anyone other than the those who's interest in gear out paces their interest in drinking coffee (I am such a person, although I'm not completely happy with that).
Posted Fri Sep 14, 2012, 6:21am Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
JohnLyn Said:
Interesting! I have been plugging it into a power bar, which I have assumed provides surge protection (it is also rated at 1875 watts, the machine is rated at 1700). That has been the logic with other appliances. however, I am electronically ignorant. The electricity here is good, but there is definitely surges and outages. The person I talked to at Breville Canada said that they do not recommend using power bars but was not able to provide a reason. they say it should be plugged into it's own plug. Therefore, I have since picked up a one socket extension cord that is rated to 1875 watts. Is there something more specific for surge protection that I could try? because you are correct, it would suck to drop more money and have a similar problem.
I won't imply to have any electrician-like knowledge, but I do know this: the issue you have been describing goes beyond coincidence, IMHO. If you personally account for a quarter of all ERR1 issues in the world, to me that speaks of something specific in your home. If I were you, I would have an electrician come out and examine your outlet before you put any more money into coffee machines. Perhaps the outlet is malfunctioning in some way which will just kill the next machine you buy?
Maybe the situation is so unique that it is a bizarre combination of your electrical system and something specific in the BDB, and you will never have another problem again if you go with a different machine. However...
JohnLyn Senior Member Joined: 15 Aug 2011 Posts: 234 Location: Golden, BC, Canada Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Fri Sep 14, 2012, 7:25am Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
klund Said:
I won't imply to have any electrician-like knowledge, but I do know this: the issue you have been describing goes beyond coincidence, IMHO. If you personally account for a quarter of all ERR1 issues in the world, to me that speaks of something specific in your home. If I were you, I would have an electrician come out and examine your outlet before you put any more money into coffee machines. Perhaps the outlet is malfunctioning in some way which will just kill the next machine you buy?
Maybe the situation is so unique that it is a bizarre combination of your electrical system and something specific in the BDB, and you will never have another problem again if you go with a different machine. However...
I agree that this is beyond coincidence. the thing is that I have had no other problems with electrical appliances plugged into that outlet or others in the home. that being said it could be worth a look. I just don't know what an electrician would do because I am guessing that the outlet itself is fine. the power supply is another story (surges and outages). maybe what I need is to learn about proper electrical "hygien" or practices so to speak just to be able to rule that out as a problem. does anyone here have any advice?
russel Said:
If you aren't going to leave it on all day and/or use it to pull 10+ shots at a time, they don't bring $1000-$1500 worth of added cup quality/features to the table. I'm not usually a fan of "prosumer" anything, but in the case of espresso machines I have an increasingly favorable view of prosumer DB/HX when compared to light commercial machines. I would not recommend light commercial to anyone other than the those who's interest in gear out paces their interest in drinking coffee (I am such a person, although I'm not completely happy with that).
I love gear that functions well, but the emphasis is on the functioning, so prosumer is what I am looking at. as I have said, I only have the machine on for a couple of hours in the morning and occasionally when I am entertaining. I also like energy efficiency but I do not know how to judge that with espresso machines...
JohnLyn Senior Member Joined: 15 Aug 2011 Posts: 234 Location: Golden, BC, Canada Expertise: I love coffee
Espresso: La Spaziale Mini Vivaldy Grinder: Vario Drip: Bonavita Roaster: Toastess popper
Posted Wed Sep 19, 2012, 9:52pm Subject: Re: Swapping out the BDB
Well after considering my unfortunate uniqueness and the fantastic support from Breville I have decided that I will try a fourth machine. This time that will be taking the machine for analysis so hopefully some answers will come. I am also having a friend that is an electrician come by to check my circuits and make recommendations in order to prevent anything that may scramble the brains of the machine. I'll post results on the recommendations.....
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