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ilCapitano79
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Posted Sat Sep 8, 2012, 3:58am
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I really need some help as I am total noob when it comes to making espresso. I had a super auto machine which i realized is garbage for making espressos (it was cheap too). Now I'm making a next step after reading this site and forums for couple of days. I dont have much choice where I'm at right now when it comes to the machine it self for my budget but here is what I've found and what I need to decide between.

Rancilio New Slivia V3+ CMA Mazzer mini

Nuova simonelli Oscar + CMA Mazzer Mini

Price difference between those setups is 300 dollars. I do have the money but would rather not spend too much since I'm complete a novice if machines require same skills for making expressos, I have never made a real espresso. Is Oscar worth the difference in price?

These are mine options and I could change the grinder on Silvia to Vario or MACAP M5 for 80 dollars less, and on Oscar I could change the grinder for MACAP M5 for 50 dollars less or just change Mini for Compak K3.

My use of machine would be couple of espressos every day and maybe one capuccino in a month and thats it. What I would like to have is a machine that I dont need to wait for too long in the morning to start making my espresso as I have small window before going to work. I really tried to decide for my self and I think Oscar might be the right choice but Didnt want to make any decision without consulting the experts.

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Posted Sat Sep 8, 2012, 6:54am
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The Oscar is a better machine and can steam and pull a shot simultaneously. Silvia takes time to switch to steam and then back to pulling shots. The Oscar recovers faster between shots as well. Whether those are the only two to choose from would be dictated by whatever else is available to you. Would it be possible to find a good used grinder for less and spend the money on a better machine where you are?

 
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Posted Sat Sep 8, 2012, 6:55am
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Both machines you're looking are capable of making great shots, but my personal opinion is that a semi-commercial machine like Oscar is more consistent and, after the initial learning curve, is easier to use. If you get one of the new Oscars with the vacuum breaker valve, you can put it on a timer and have it ready and temperature stable when you wake up in the morning.

For the grinder, the stepless adjustments of the Mazzer Mini and K3 would win out for me. Haven't used a Vario enough to have an opinion, but a lot of people swear by 'em. The MACAP with it's stepped adjustment would, I think, be a false economy, as it's all too frequently that those "in-between" places are where the right grind for a particular bean on a particular day lie.
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Posted Sat Sep 8, 2012, 7:51am
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frcn Said:

The Oscar is a better machine and can steam and pull a shot simultaneously. Silvia takes time to switch to steam and then back to pulling shots. The Oscar recovers faster between shots as well. Whether those are the only two to choose from would be dictated by whatever else is available to you. Would it be possible to find a good used grinder for less and spend the money on a better machine where you are?

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Buying something more expansive is not really an option, I wish it was. I'm in Thailand and theres not much here to chose from. The prices are already heavily reduced as I'm buying machine and grinder together and next machine is 50% more so this is what I have to chose from. Also used grinders are pretty much non existent as second hand. But for my needs you would go for Oscar?
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Posted Sat Sep 8, 2012, 7:56am
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GVDub Said:

Both machines you're looking are capable of making great shots, but my personal opinion is that a semi-commercial machine like Oscar is more consistent and, after the initial learning curve, is easier to use. If you get one of the new Oscars with the vacuum breaker valve, you can put it on a timer and have it ready and temperature stable when you wake up in the morning.

For the grinder, the stepless adjustments of the Mazzer Mini and K3 would win out for me. Haven't used a Vario enough to have an opinion, but a lot of people swear by 'em. The MACAP with it's stepped adjustment would, I think, be a false economy, as it's all too frequently that those "in-between" places are where the right grind for a particular bean on a particular day lie.

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So Oscar for a novice like me? Also if my Oscar doesnt come with the timer how long does it take for it to get ready, or could I let it be on over the night? What are the downsides of that?

As for the grinder Mazzer Mini it is then since I've read so many postives about it this just confirms it.

Sorry guys for so many questions but right now it feels like a big jungle of knowledge for me and it's not easy to find exact answer for my questions since there are so many threads and so many replies, takes ages to go trough them all.
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Posted Sat Sep 8, 2012, 8:19am
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When I say "timer", I'm just talking about something like this, adjusted, of course, for Thai voltage. As far as I know, nobody makes an internal timer for Oscar.

My personal take is that you're better off starting on a better machine because you don't develop the compromised habits that can be necessary to make an entry-level SBDU machine pull drinkable shots. I've often seen people rise to the level of their equipment. I'm not just talking espresso here - I'm a musician and I've seen beginners struggle with "okay" gear and almost give up thinking they're just no good, then come into the position of playing a better instrument and realize that it's not them. While the old saw that says, "It's a poor workman who blames his tools," is frequently true, sometimes it is the tools, and sometimes it takes more advanced skills to get good results out of less-than-perfect equipment.
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Posted Sat Sep 8, 2012, 8:58am
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I never made an espresso before in my life when I bought my machine.  My only real machine I have ever had is an Oscar and I have a vario W.  I am very happy with my set up and I believe I am pulling good shots with it.  I feel like I have a lot of power and control in my hands.  I bought my machine used because I had a small budget and Oscar used is a true bargain.  I did however have to replace a few parts and clean others but I have had it 10 months and I am very happy with my purchase and I don't have any upgradeitus that a lot of people get after they learn what they are doing.  I feel I am making really good espresso and understand my machine.  I wish it had a temp gauge and dials but I really am having no trouble using it without it.  I will be adding a vacuum breaker and a timer to it soon as Chris' coffee gets their new kits in.  I have been waiting all summer for it.  I love being able to steam and pull and I love taking him to parties.  He can totally handle a crowd.  Something Miss Silvia can't do.

 
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Posted Sat Sep 8, 2012, 9:07am
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GVDub Said:

When I say "timer", I'm just talking about something like this, adjusted, of course, for Thai voltage. As far as I know, nobody makes an internal timer for Oscar.

My personal take is that you're better off starting on a better machine because you don't develop the compromised habits that can be necessary to make an entry-level SBDU machine pull drinkable shots. I've often seen people rise to the level of their equipment. I'm not just talking espresso here - I'm a musician and I've seen beginners struggle with "okay" gear and almost give up thinking they're just no good, then come into the position of playing a better instrument and realize that it's not them. While the old saw that says, "It's a poor workman who blames his tools," is frequently true, sometimes it is the tools, and sometimes it takes more advanced skills to get good results out of less-than-perfect equipment.

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Alright Oscar it is then, its settled. Thank you for your thorough and fast answers. I'll try to get my hands on one of those timers for thai voltage or can I just simply let it on overnight?
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Posted Sat Sep 8, 2012, 9:11am
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Coffeenoobie Said:

I never made an espresso before in my life when I bought my machine.  My only real machine I have ever had is an Oscar and I have a vario W.  I am very happy with my set up and I believe I am pulling good shots with it.  I feel like I have a lot of power and control in my hands.  I bought my machine used because I had a small budget and Oscar used is a true bargain.  I did however have to replace a few parts and clean others but I have had it 10 months and I am very happy with my purchase and I don't have any upgradeitus that a lot of people get after they learn what they are doing.  I feel I am making really good espresso and understand my machine.  I wish it had a temp gauge and dials but I really am having no trouble using it without it.  I will be adding a vacuum breaker and a timer to it soon as Chris' coffee gets their new kits in.  I have been waiting all summer for it.  I love being able to steam and pull and I love taking him to parties.  He can totally handle a crowd.  Something Miss Silvia can't do.

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Thanks for replying, as stated in my previous post I'll definitly go for Oscar cant wait to meet him :). Do you know how long it takes for Oscar to get to working temperature? I just have to have double espresso in the morning and as stated before I dont have a lot of time in the morning before going to work. Would it harm the machine to leave it on overnight?

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Posted Sat Sep 8, 2012, 9:23am
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Some folks leave their Oscar on 24/7. I think that using a timer to have it come on 45 minutes before you get up wouldn't take too long to pay for the timer in electricity savings. My Ellimatic (the Nuova Simonelli predecessor to Oscar) takes about 20-30 minutes to get temperature stable. Oscar should be about the same, but half an hour is the safe time. a little longer is good.
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