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pianoviolin
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 12:26pm
Subject: Le'Lit PL041 - undrinkable shots
 

I've had a Le'lit PL041 for a couple years now and have yet to pull a drinkable shot. It is paired with the Le'lit PL53 grinder, and I've tried a wide range of grind consistencies and tamp pressures. I've also tried a variety of beans.

The problem is the same for each shot - the shots are extremely harsh/bitter. This is true even for coarser grinds and light tamping pressure. I've produced 2oz of espresso in around 10 seconds and it still tastes like it's over extracted.

Any ideas? I've read through most of the pl041 threads on this forum but haven't found any solutions.
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 1:16pm
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pianoviolin Said:

I've had a Le'lit PL041 for a couple years now and have yet to pull a drinkable shot. It is paired with the Le'lit PL53 grinder, and I've tried a wide range of grind consistencies and tamp pressures. I've also tried a variety of beans.

The problem is the same for each shot - the shots are extremely harsh/bitter. This is true even for coarser grinds and light tamping pressure. I've produced 2oz of espresso in around 10 seconds and it still tastes like it's over extracted.

Any ideas? I've read through most of the pl041 threads on this forum but haven't found any solutions.

Posted May 23, 2012 link

Maybe brew temp is too hot?  did you try to measure the temp of water coming out of the grouphead?
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 1:23pm
Subject: Re: Le'Lit PL041 - undrinkable shots
 

My first thought too, temperature.  Styrofoam cup test,

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines/342452

Did you also get a grind that you can control, 45-60 ml in 25 seconds?  Are the beans fresh?  Have you cleaned the grinder and machine recently?

 
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 1:49pm
Subject: Re: Le'Lit PL041 - undrinkable shots
 

Ditto here.  I have the same setup for a couple of months now and am experiencing the same things lately.....I'm new to this so my technique could use some improvement I'm sure but, lately shots have gotten worse and I'm seeing really bad center channeling which i'm guessing is causing the bitter/over extracted taste.  nothing i do seems to fix the channelling. not sure why it's happening now as it wasn't before.

brady
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D4F
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 2:42pm
Subject: Re: Le'Lit PL041 - undrinkable shots
 

Lots of info just searching CG about bitter.  The FRCN site is great and for taste and brew difficulties, here:

http://www.frcndigital.com/coffee/HowToEspresso.html

And a recent thread

http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/questions/520639

It is not necessarily your machine, likely not, so look for threads on technique, bitter, temperature, extraction...

 
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 2:47pm
Subject: Re: Le'Lit PL041 - undrinkable shots
 

do you have a scale?     how old are the beans?    how about descaling and backflushing?
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yiplong
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 6:58pm
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Here is a good guide on the Styrofoam test:

http://www.frcndigital.com/coffee/HowToTempCheck.html
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pianoviolin
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 7:45pm
Subject: Re: Le'Lit PL041 - undrinkable shots
 

The machine is overdue for a descaling (that's first on my list of things to do right now). I've checked the temperature before and I seem to remember it being ok, but I'll recheck more carefully.

I doubt bean freshness or personal technique is an issue at this point, since the same problem occurs independent of any variations in tamping/grind consistency/freshness/etc.

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I'll keep you all updated.
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 9:25pm
Subject: Re: Le'Lit PL041 - undrinkable shots
 

What about cleaning?  Old coffee in the brewhead and grinder can affect the taste.

What about warm up time?  Not fully warm brew head and PF can cool the water too much.  Do you always allow full warm up?

 
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mhborstad
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Posted Wed May 23, 2012, 9:54pm
Subject: Re: Le'Lit PL041 - undrinkable shots
 

Grind way way finer and probably also use less coffee per dose... 2oz in 10s and we're breaking out styrofoam cups?

We need to settle on different terminology for "that bad taste that severely underextracted espresso has". Sour/bitter is tough to get a handle on. Bitter is bitter - *harsh* is almost certainly the opposite.

Channelling could be the culprit, but you'd expect to get lucky sometimes...
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