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slybarman
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Posted Fri May 18, 2012, 7:55am
Subject: ECM Germany from 1st line
 

Has anyone taken notice of the "ECM Germany" product line at 1st-line.com?

http://www.1st-line.com/machines/home_mod/ecm/index.htm

They are attractive enough machines. From a price and feature standpoint I guess they are competing with Rocket. 1st line gives an interesting statement as to why they are no longer carrying the rocket line. It says these new machines are designed in Germany and made in Italy.

What do y'all make of these?

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Posted Fri May 18, 2012, 9:17am
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Stainless boiler and rotary pump at the intro price looks pretty sweet! He needs to post more photos of the internals, the bid of welding I saw looked well done.
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Posted Fri May 18, 2012, 9:59am
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hankua Said:

Stainless boiler and rotary pump at the intro price looks pretty sweet! He needs to post more photos of the internals, the bid of welding I saw looked well done.

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Is stainless steel boiler considered superior to brass?
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Posted Fri May 18, 2012, 10:16am
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I think people prefer it because it does not give off lead.
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Posted Fri May 18, 2012, 11:03am
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slybarman Said:

I think people prefer it because it does not give off lead.

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That's understandable, but stainless steel boiler is not materially more expensive than brass?  

Stainless boiler and rotary pump at the intro price looks pretty sweet!

your statement here made it seem like stainless steel is in a class above brass, like rotary pump is relative to vibration pump.
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Posted Fri May 18, 2012, 12:25pm
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yiplong Said:

That's understandable, but stainless steel boiler is not materially more expensive than brass?  



your statement here made it seem like stainless steel is in a class above brass, like rotary pump is relative to vibration pump.

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In fact stainless steel is cheaper than brass, or copper for the matter, and there is today Ruveco process to positively remove surface lead from brass components....
Different class but not necessarily above, actually cheaper approach with pros and cons, while in pump example the fact remains that product in the cup does not change..
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Posted Fri May 18, 2012, 2:33pm
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I work in a food factory with guys who do sanitary welding. There is a big difference between brazing copper and welding stainless neatly. The attention to detail in a machine is worth noting.
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Posted Tue May 22, 2012, 7:50am
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Anyone decided to be the guinea pig yet?
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Posted Tue May 22, 2012, 9:27am
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cappuccinoboy Said:

In fact stainless steel is cheaper than brass, or copper for the matter, and there is today Ruveco process to positively remove surface lead from brass components....
Ciao, Pietro

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While somewhat familiar with the Ruveco process, It seems not too many major espresso machine manufacturers list this in their features or specifications. Would you care to elaborate?

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Posted Tue May 22, 2012, 11:00am
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hankua Said:

Stainless boiler and rotary pump at the intro price looks pretty sweet! He needs to post more photos of the internals, the bid of welding I saw looked well done.

Posted May 18, 2012 link


If you go to 1st-Line's site for these, click on the machine you're interested in and there's a few interior shots at bottom of page, appears to be very tidy and well done.

I'm thinking very seriously about one, would like to see a review.

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