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Advice for getting a build-in-kitchen espresso machine please?
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Posted Sat Apr 28, 2012, 11:22am
Subject: Re: Advice for getting a build-in-kitchen espresso machine please?
 

Stavros,  I appreciate your obviously genuine and heartfelt response.

Unfortunately I do not think your analogy to film vs. digital photography is an appropriate analogy.  Even with digital photography, the individual -- amateur or professional still has input in the process -- input that can dramatically affect the quality of the photograph itself, be it framing the shot, selecting the lens, and a number of other specific options.  While it's certainly true that some people may own a digital SLR  yet operate it as a simple point-and-shoot, but the key is that the options ARE there for the use.  Even if it's only switching from "Portrait" mode to "Sports" mode, it can (and will) affect the shot, but someone who cares to learn even a little bit can produce truly outstanding shots rivaling that of any 35mm film camera.

Aside from switching beans, just how much can you control with a super-auto?  (The answer is "not enough.")  No matter what you do -- what you want to do -- you will never produce a shot from a super-auto that will rival what you can get from a semi- or full-automatic . . . or a manual lever.  The whole point of a super-auto is to take the variables OUT of the hands of the user.  In contrast, a DSLR offers the user to ability to "point-and-shoot" if he or she wishes, yet retains all of the variables at their fingertips.  It is up to the user.  With a super-auto, it's up to the machine.

As far as creating a forum here for super-autos, I don't run the site.  Mark Prince does, and it's up to him and him alone.  All I can tell you is what was said on another, similar site to this one when a similar suggestion was made.  To paraphrase, it was said that the site is dedicated to exceptional espresso, and a super-auto isn't.

Cheers,
Jason

 
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