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codefritz
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Posted Wed Apr 18, 2012, 7:04am Subject: Re: Rocket R58 Dual Boiler Machine Information and Picture

Hi folks, Following link provides more pictures (also of the plugable controle module) of the R58: Link 1 Link 2 I'm also very intersted in this machine but there are some cons: - Dont like the R on the left wheel. Enjoy the pictures... - codefritz

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Posted Sat Apr 21, 2012, 1:05am Subject: Re: Rocket R58 Dual Boiler Machine Information and Picture

Now taking pre- orders on CC Rocket R58

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Posted Sat Apr 21, 2012, 6:20am Subject: Re: Rocket R58 Dual Boiler Machine Information and Picture

Wish they had used joysticks instead of oversize wheels.

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Posted Sat Apr 21, 2012, 6:29am
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JZY Said:

Wish they had used joysticks instead of oversize wheels.

Posted April 21, 2012 link

That will probably be an available option at ChrisCoffee. Now if only Chris would consider offering the joysticks as a free bonus... ;-)

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Posted Wed May 2, 2012, 9:49am Subject: Re: Rocket R58 Dual Boiler Machine Information and Picture

VIDEO REVIEW! "YEAAAHHHH" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15lsT7JkW6U

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Posted Wed May 2, 2012, 10:06am Subject: Re: Rocket R58 Dual Boiler Machine Information and Picture

Rocket R58 PID Video. Click Here (www.youtube.com)

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Posted Wed May 2, 2012, 1:47pm Subject: Re: Rocket R58 Dual Boiler Machine Information and Picture

I still think it's a hideous PID design. From the technology they used (serial connection with a ribbon cable looks like something out of the 90s), to the look of the unit itself (oversized and clunky, and odd button design/placement). With the extreme attention to detail that everything inside the machine seemed to get, it seems like the PID was treated as a complete afterthought and was completed at the minimum cost possible.

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Posted Wed May 2, 2012, 2:49pm Subject: Re: Rocket R58 Dual Boiler Machine Information and Picture

agoldberg Said: I still think it's a hideous PID design. From the technology they used (serial connection with a ribbon cable looks like something out of the 90s), to the look of the unit itself (oversized and clunky, and odd button design/placement). With the extreme attention to detail that everything inside the machine seemed to get, it seems like the PID was treated as a complete afterthought and was completed at the minimum cost possible. Posted May 2, 2012 link First, they probably had no place to put it on the front panel. Second, the only advantage to an external controller is that it stays away from heat, but the downside is additional parts to hold external tot he machine as well as another breakage point at the connection after so many uses. In addition, what happens if water accidentally hits the port on thee machine. The other downside is that you do not see when the boiler is at the desired programmed temperature.

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Posted Wed May 2, 2012, 10:20pm Subject: Re: Rocket R58 Dual Boiler Machine Information and Picture

I don't see an external PID as a problem. Based on the video, it looks like Rocket intended the PID to be used to select the basic temp settings. After setup, you can disconnect the display since it really isn't needed to operate the machine. Synesso uses an external PID on their machines, so there's a precedent for doing this. I've owned a PID'd machine and after awhile, I never looked at the display. If you really look at how the machine gets used, why not make the PID external and removable? Before criticizing Rocket on this, I would prefer to understand the reasoning for their decision. It's quite possible their design is correct.

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Posted Thu May 3, 2012, 6:38am Subject: Re: Rocket R58 Dual Boiler Machine Information and Picture

I'm not criticizing the use of an external PID (I think it makes a lot of sense). I just don't like the design of it. They put so much effort into the design of the gorgeous machine, and then stuck on a PID that looks like it was made in 1994 (ribbon cable with serial connection and screws).

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