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Posted Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:02am
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Thanks for the heads up on the lajura website. They have the cheapest price on the dual boiler that I have seen in canada
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Posted Sat Jan 21, 2012, 2:26pm
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I got my BDB today, and it's everything I expected it to be. I'm still dialing-in the grind and playing with the pressure and temperature, but the first cappuchino I pulled for the wife was declared equal to or better than the best she's had in a Mission coffee shop like Muddy's et al. The OPV is miscalibrated so I'll have to deal with that, but for the time being I'm using the hot water trick to control the pressure.

Very pleased.

Edit: I went ahead and adjusted the OPV to max out at 9.5 bar. I've had too much coffee today, so we'll see how it goes in the morning. The hardest thing about the adjustment was remembering to put the long philips head screw back in the hole on the left. There were pencil marks on the OPV already, which I found kind of interesting. Somebody paid a lot of attention to the thing and still managed to set it at 13 bar before I got it.

 
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2012, 7:36am
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2012, 1:16pm
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Hi,

I've been reading everything I could find on the new BDB machine after it was recommended to me over the Sylvia.  I've saved my pennies and placed my order on Friday and now sit slightly impatiently awaiting its arrival.  After reading so much about it, I kinda feel like I know the ins and outs of this machine and worry that I may be discouraged if I don't pull a decent shot in the initial tryout.  This will be my first serious espresso machine, so I'll cut myself a little slacking guess.  ;)

I already have the smart grinder, which I received for Xmas after the on/off switch broke on my bcg400.

Just thought I'd say hi, and I'll be back soon to report back on my experiences once I receive it.  Can't wait!

Ryan
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Posted Sun Jan 22, 2012, 7:41pm
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Congrats Ryan!  I'm jealous, that's the machine I would love to get and hopefully I will be able to afford one by this summer.  If you can you should do an "unboxing" video for YouTube.  Would love to see that!

 
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Posted Mon Jan 23, 2012, 5:48pm
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Just so you folks are aware:
Posted today at: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1312978609/1276#1276

The (BES900XL) is NOT able to be de-scaled by the user.

The steam boiler is NOT connected to the hot water tap. The steam boiler is a closed circuit from the tank to the steam valve.

If you fill your steam boiler with de-scale, whatever that may be, you will not be able to comletely remove it, no matter how many times you purge from the steam wand, you will not be able to flush out 450ml of de-scale solution.

If you have filled your machine with de-scale solution, then please take it to an authorised service centre & ask them to drain it for you. This does involve removing panels and probes from the boiler & is NOT something we recommend you do.

If you replace the carbon resin filter in the water tank every 2 months as we recommend, then our testing shows it will be approx 3 years before you need to have the machine de-scaled. Prevention is the key, so don't skimp on the filters, especially if you know you live in an area with hard water.


 
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Posted Mon Jan 23, 2012, 5:52pm
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frcn Said:

Just so you folks are aware:
Posted today at: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1312978609/1276#1276

Posted January 23, 2012 link

Yeah, we knew that. It's in the manual:

Do not descale this machine. Use the provided water filter especially if you have hard water. Change every 2 months. Contact Breville Customer Service on 1-866-273-8455 or visit www.breville.com for replacement filters or for advice.


Thank you, drive through.

 
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Posted Mon Jan 23, 2012, 6:40pm
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By the time the first machines need descaling I'm sure there will be some good DIY walk-throughs.
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Posted Mon Jan 23, 2012, 8:19pm
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frcn Said:

Just so you folks are aware:
Posted today at: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1312978609/1276#1276

Posted January 23, 2012 link

Thanks for that post!  Also, your website is great! :)
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Posted Mon Jan 23, 2012, 9:12pm
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EvilCookie Said:

Thanks for that post!  Also, your website is great! :)

Posted January 23, 2012 link

You are most welcome, and your positive comments are very much appreciated.

I think in the case of this machine, forewarned is forearmed. That is why I posted it, regardless as to those who are knowledgeable of this fact. While there are folks who have no problem opening a machine and doing repairs or service, in this price range an espresso machine that should have a "no user serviceable parts inside" sticker may be a first, but I am afraid that in this age of profit-first and consumer-last it is just the beginning. I feel that it is reasonable to state that a small percentage of owners of espresso machines would be willing to disassemble any machine to replace a heating element, but the inability of the 'average" user to descale a boiler is a real shame.

If we take for granted that three years is a reasonable service period for this, I am thinking that only a small percentage of these machines will make it to see a second such service. By that time with the plastic parts inside and the cost of the service, it could become a case of it costing more to repair that it would be worth to the owner.

But beyond that there is an underlying current here. With all the sophistication in this machine, Breville could have easily programmed the internal electronics with a "descale" function. Something like: element off, ignore level sensor, have user open steam valve, over-fill boiler, timer to wait a number of minutes. Then a flush cycle. Maybe even a boiler drain valve that was accessible externally.

In my opinion, basic descaling should be a maintenance chore that the user should be able to do, and designing a machine so that the average user could assume that they handle it easily is not beyond reasonable expectation. If it lasts long enough, what will the total investment be in two descale-services plus the two-dozen softener cartridges? Are users buying or renting the machine?

And Bubba Dude. How about offering something positive rather than being so juvenile with your comments? Better yet, feel free to ignore my posts.

 
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