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nixter
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Posted Tue Jan 3, 2012, 10:14am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

Dr_Coffee_House Said:

Nic a tad fast...  But what was teh cup like ?

It will run better once i get the handle converted to a nice wood :-)

I did like teh flow on M's pour...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_26_9SbXXU

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Woa, when did the naked PF's come out? Where do we get them?
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Posted Tue Jan 3, 2012, 2:01pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

nixter Said:

Woa, when did the naked PF's come out? Where do we get them?

Posted January 3, 2012 link

Follow-up with Breville...

Understand there was a release of about 20 here in Australia on a first in first served basis...

Not sure when the USA or next batch arrives...

By next week will have custom wooden handles to match; non Breville part :-)

 
Bling does not make coffee.... Get over it.
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Posted Tue Jan 3, 2012, 3:29pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

Doc, have you figured out a way to get the stock handles off?  Iirc, Phil Mcknight was not very encouraging about it.

Btw, when I talked with the brand new BDB rep (no longer kenji kawano), at brevilleusa re getting my 900xl replaced because of the high pressure, I put in a plug for the bottomless pf for us yanks, as well.  Fingers crossed.

-Peter
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Posted Tue Jan 3, 2012, 3:40pm
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dagoat Said:

Doc, have you figured out a way to get the stock handles off?  Iirc, Phil was not very encouraging about it.

-Peter

Posted January 3, 2012 link

Not as yet, as the units that I will be working on have not arrived as yet...

That being said, I have advised the owner that; while all care will be taken, the process of re engineering to dismantle and to fit a new handle may mean that his original will no longer able to EVER be reused.

As I see it two (3) outcomes...

1: Handle screws into the PF...  Not looking that way.

OR

2: Handle is pressed on to a spigot that is part of the PF

OR

3: Yet to be determined :-)

Either way the outcomes will be posted on nic's blog and the crema coffee forums for others to learn from what we have observed....

After all we are about sharing and not re inventing the wheel :-)

 
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Posted Tue Jan 3, 2012, 8:47pm
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Dr_Coffee_House Said:

Not as yet, as the units that I will be working on have not arrived as yet...

That being said, I have advised the owner that; while all care will be taken, the process of re engineering to dismantle and to fit a new handle may mean that his original will no longer able to EVER be reused.

As I see it two (3) outcomes...

1: Handle screws into the PF...  Not looking that way.

OR

2: Handle is pressed on to a spigot that is part of the PF

OR

3: Yet to be determined :-)

Either way the outcomes will be posted on nic's blog and the crema coffee forums for others to learn from what we have observed....

After all we are about sharing and not re inventing the wheel :-)

Posted January 3, 2012 link

I found the handle is pressed/glued on for the stock PF.  If you try to unscrew the handle from the PF with say.... a strap wrench and
a clamp, the handle will shear/break.   Breville may have started with a different PF for the bottomless, however.
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Posted Tue Jan 3, 2012, 9:20pm
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espresso_drinker Said:

I found the handle is pressed/glued on for the stock PF.  If you try to unscrew the handle from the PF with say.... a strap wrench and
a clamp, the handle will shear/break.   Breville may have started with a different PF for the bottomless, however.

Posted January 3, 2012 link

As I understand it the handle is bonded onto the PF which has an I beam type spigot that protrudes into the handle for the length of the smaller dia of the handle.  Think of a Standard Speedframe type  joint except the PF is the main body and only one joint available.

The bulker section should be hollow and or full of bonding material.

Thus unless the bonding material can be softened and the handle pulled off (NOT TWISTED), then you have but one option.

Destruction of the Original handle...

Pics of my work will be posted in the next day or two.

 
Bling does not make coffee.... Get over it.
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Posted Tue Jan 3, 2012, 9:37pm
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I can confirm.... as my held-together-with-Gorilla-Glue PF handle cannot speak for itself :-)

Dr_Coffee_House Said:

As I understand it the handle is bonded onto the PF which has an I beam type spigot that protrudes into the handle for the length of the smaller dia of the handle.  The bulker section should be hollow and or full of bonding material.

Thus unless the bonding material can be softened and the handle pulled off (NOT TWISTED), then you have but one option.

Destruction of the Original handle...

Pics of my work will be posted in the next day or two.

Posted January 3, 2012 link

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Posted Tue Jan 3, 2012, 9:43pm
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GRishi Said:

I have not had this issue with the 18g or 20g ridgeless VST baskets.  The portafilter locks in quite easily now compared to when I was trying to stuff 18-19g of coffee in the Breville Dual Basket.

Posted January 2, 2012 link

Thanks GRishi.... but I was referring to twist effort required to lock in the PF where the coffee does not touch the
dispersion screen.  Stock vs VST.  I was afraid I was putting too much pressure on the seal with the VST basket
and would eventually cause the seal not to work properly if I switched back to the stock basket.
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Posted Tue Jan 3, 2012, 9:47pm
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Has anyone tried to replace the dual spout on the stock PF with a single spout?  Something like this?

espresso_drinker: single_spout.JPG
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Posted Tue Jan 3, 2012, 10:22pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

espresso_drinker Said:

Thanks GRishi.... but I was referring to twist effort required to lock in the PF where the coffee does not touch the
dispersion screen.  Stock vs VST.  I was afraid I was putting too much pressure on the seal with the VST basket
and would eventually cause the seal not to work properly if I switched back to the stock basket.

Posted January 3, 2012 link

I wouldn't worry about that. The seal is extremely flexible & resilient & will not deform like a seal in a LM or Rancilio etc, it's a very different material. I'm using VST 18 & 22s without any issues.

Cheers, Phil
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