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crismih19
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Posted Mon Dec 19, 2011, 8:36pm
Subject: Re: Best affordable super-automatic
 

I would steer towards a model that has the full grinder setting, sbs knob and grams selection. Also the one that let you choose the temperature (and you may find you need to set it to High) .
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Posted Tue Dec 20, 2011, 1:17pm
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I don't think anyone has suggested a Nepresso yet.  It's often recommended as the best mix of convenience, price and espresso-like beverage, if you're set on a super-auto.

 
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Posted Tue Dec 20, 2011, 6:55pm
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JPF Said:

I don't think anyone has suggested a Nepresso yet . . . if you're set on a super-auto.

Posted December 20, 2011 link

Hardly a super-auto.

 
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Posted Wed Dec 21, 2011, 6:34am
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+1 for Nespresso

Price within a particular brand (Saeco for example) usually just means increased features (LCD Screen, timers, programs etc.) it does not necessarily mean better quality.  The insides of most Saeco super autos are identical, at least that's what the Canadian rep told me at the Saeco store here in Montreal before I realized that a Super auto would never give me the coffee I longed for.
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Posted Wed Dec 21, 2011, 9:57am
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A super auto espresso coffee machine does not produce the best shots. But if you're looking for one in the said price range, there's a lot of options but like they say, they're made in mostly cheap plastic material. This site about espresso coffee machine reviews might help.Once again, let merely to your recommendation by saying this site SUCKS!  It is filled with misinformation, and inaccuracies.  

Then again, the way you seem to be mentioning it in almost every post you make, I'm beginning to suspect it's your site, which comes dangerously close to making your posts spam . . . that is, as of my writing this, you've posted a total of 12 times -- the first five, you didn't mention this site, but in every one of the next seven, you have, plus it's the website your profile is linked to . . .

I hope I am wrong, and I hope you will have lots to contribute.  We can certainly benefit from more members living in Europe, but not necessarily from ones more interested in self-promotion than in helping the community at large.

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Posted Wed Dec 21, 2011, 10:01am
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MARIOBARBA Said:

. . . before I realized that a Super auto would never give me the coffee I longed for.

Posted December 21, 2011 link

Yes, well -- that's the problem with super-autos, isn't it!  ;^)

While Nespresso isn't truly a super-auto, nor is it really espresso, it is certainly convenient and -- if not great -- certainly better than some other options out there.  Personally, I would never buy one, but that's me -- OTOH, I'm happier to see a Nespresso in my hotel room than I am a mylar pouch of *$ . . .

 
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Posted Wed Dec 21, 2011, 4:05pm
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Once again, let merely to your recommendation by saying this site SUCKS!  It is filled with misinformation, and inaccuracies.  

Then again, the way you seem to be mentioning it in almost every post you make, I'm beginning to suspect it's your site, which comes dangerously close to making your posts spam . . . that is, as of my writing this, you've posted a total of 12 times -- the first five, you didn't mention this site, but in every one of the next seven, you have, plus it's the website your profile is linked to . . .

I hope I am wrong, and I hope you will have lots to contribute.  We can certainly benefit from more members living in Europe, but not necessarily from ones more interested in self-promotion than in helping the community at large.

Cheers,
Jason

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Jason, I reached the same conclusion about that poster a while ago and said so in another thread. His constant linking to a site that is worthless at best and harmful advice at worst hardly is in the spirit of this board.

 
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Posted Wed Dec 21, 2011, 10:54pm
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Once again, let merely to your recommendation by saying this site SUCKS!  It is filled with misinformation, and inaccuracies.  

Then again, the way you seem to be mentioning it in almost every post you make, I'm beginning to suspect it's your site, which comes dangerously close to making your posts spam . . . that is, as of my writing this, you've posted a total of 12 times -- the first five, you didn't mention this site, but in every one of the next seven, you have, plus it's the website your profile is linked to . . .

I hope I am wrong, and I hope you will have lots to contribute.  We can certainly benefit from more members living in Europe, but not necessarily from ones more interested in self-promotion than in helping the community at large.

Cheers,
Jason

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Posted Thu Dec 22, 2011, 8:33am
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Hardly a super-auto.

Posted December 20, 2011 link

OK, I'll rephrase.  If you're stuck on super-autos, or similar ilk.

 
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Posted Sat Dec 31, 2011, 2:24pm
Subject: Re: Best affordable super-automatic
 

I'll share my experience with a super-auto.   And bear in mind that I'm a bit of a techno-geek so I was very interested in how it works and why it gave the results it did.

I have a Gaggia Platinum Plus (the Plus being a pressure control so you can vary how fast the shot flows while the shot is pouring).

The first thing I noticed is that everything they advertise about how the plus system works is inaccurate.  I called the company several times and they didn't seem to have any understanding of how it works (or doesn't work sometimes).  In the end, I got hold of the patents for the pressure device and finally understood what they were trying to do - and it is rather clever - but the product they ship was not manufactured to close enough tolerances to work the way the design was meant to work (and I found an easy way to fix it so it worked as it was meant to).   But that is all just about the one gizmo - the pressure controller which is only on a few models.

OK ... here is the main issue with the super-automatic I have and I suspect this would be an issue with most of them.   The grinder leaves about 3-4 shots worth of grinds in the path between the grinder and the brew unit.  It must grind enough new coffee to push the previously ground coffee through the path and into the brew unit.  This isn't a problem if you are making 5-6 shots one right after the other - but if you get up in the morning and make one coffee before you go to work, you'll be using the coffee that was ground 4-5 days ago.   The alternative is to make 5 cups of coffee and dump the first 4 and drink the 5th cup.

I took the super-auto to my girlfriend's place - she finds it wonderful compared to my setup with Mazzer Major grinder and Espresso machine --- she pushes a button and gets much better coffee than she was making before.

The other serious (to me) drawback of a super-auto is that the coffee beans are sitting in the hopper and they stay warm/hot most of time so they are deteriorating.

I thought the grinder was actually pretty good - other than the amount of grounds left in the path to the brewer.  I tested by grinding in my Mazzer and using the bypass chute vs using the built in grinder (and having pulled several shots right in a row so the grinds were fresh) and there wasn't any night/day difference (as far as the ability of the super-auto goes - a better grinder didn't make a big difference). But in my real world - where I only have one or two cups a day - using the bypass chute and fresh grounds from the Mazzer was definitely night/day to the old grounds the internal grinder would push into the brew unit.
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