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Posted Thu Oct 3, 2013, 7:51pm
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lowespresso Said:

My BDB stopped working properly a couple weeks ago, after 8 months of light usage. Pump pressure became progressively weaker independent of grind, etc. Breville customer support was very courteous and helpful. They had me run a couple shots with only double wall basket and verified that pump was not reaching adequate pressures.  They sent me a new machine. Hopefully it will last longer than first.

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for the bdb, using double wall and blind basket will give you a reading of the pressure, the blind filter serves as a well packed coffee sort of

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Posted Sat Oct 5, 2013, 6:38am
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hi there- this thread has been amazing as a new owner of the BDB.

my first machine had every single puck sticking and was replaced. the new one arrived this week and the pressure seems set too high, but not as high as the 13.5 that i'm seeing in the faulty pressure threads.

using a rocky grinder, set on around 7-8, the pressure consistently goes up to 10.5 or 11 and then settles around 9.5 towards the end of the shot. pulling sour and bitter shots obviously. i suppose i could use a courser grind, but that seems too course?

for those with rocky grinders paired with BDB, what settings are you normally using?

fwiw, using red bird at 17 grams for a shot. 198 degrees with stock/default pressure settings.

should i ask to have this machine replaced as well?

thank you so much.
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Posted Sat Oct 5, 2013, 8:18am
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yaacov Said:

hi there- this thread has been amazing as a new owner of the BDB.

my first machine had every single puck sticking and was replaced. the new one arrived this week and the pressure seems set too high, but not as high as the 13.5 that i'm seeing in the faulty pressure threads.

using a rocky grinder, set on around 7-8, the pressure consistently goes up to 10.5 or 11 and then settles around 9.5 towards the end of the shot. pulling sour and bitter shots obviously. i suppose i could use a courser grind, but that seems too course?

for those with rocky grinders paired with BDB, what settings are you normally using?

fwiw, using red bird at 17 grams for a shot. 198 degrees with stock/default pressure settings.

should i ask to have this machine replaced as well?

thank you so much.

Posted October 5, 2013 link

use the double wall and the blind filter and then give us the reading for the gauge, if its more than 9.5 then tweak the back. if its 9.5 or 9 then its just ok. so try to check you beans, then your tamp.

 
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Posted Sat Oct 5, 2013, 2:55pm
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thanks.

just tried with the double dual wall and blind. pressed the double shot button and it peaked/stayed at 10.5/11.0 until the shot was over.

now what?
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Posted Sat Oct 5, 2013, 3:49pm
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yaacov,

I also just recieved a replacement (Ver B) and the OPV also is set at 10.5. Other than that it works better than the old one.

It is an easy adjustment.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ582qm4PMU

I tend to use more than 17g in my basket... 17.4 at the moment.
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Posted Sat Oct 5, 2013, 6:48pm
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yaacov Said:

thanks.

just tried with the double dual wall and blind. pressed the double shot button and it peaked/stayed at 10.5/11.0 until the shot was over.

now what?

Posted October 5, 2013 link

you will find in this thread a way how to open the back and loosen the pressure, that should give you either 9 or 9.5
how old is your beans?

 
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Posted Sat Oct 5, 2013, 6:50pm
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toiler Said:

yaacov,

I also just recieved a replacement (Ver B) and the OPV also is set at 10.5. Other than that it works better than the old one.

It is an easy adjustment.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ582qm4PMU

I tend to use more than 17g in my basket... 17.4 at the moment.

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this video

 
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Posted Sat Oct 5, 2013, 8:55pm
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yaacov Said:

fwiw, using red bird at 17 grams for a shot. 198 degrees with stock/default pressure settings.

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17 grams is not enough for the stock Breville basket, even with a dark oily roast.  No wonder you get sticking pucks.  Sticking pucks are a symptom of a tapered wall basket that is under-dosed.  I rarely dose less than 18.5 grams into the Breville basket if the roast is dark, and up to 21 grams if the roast is really really light.  It seriously makes THAT much difference.  I would be surprised and disappointed if a well known brand like Red Bird were roasted too dark.  i would start with absolutely no less than 19.0g.  maybe 19.5g or 20g depending on how light the beans looked, (i roast my own, so i've never seen red bird).  I almost never use less than 20.0g on my own home roasts in the stock Breville basket.

-Peter
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Posted Sat Oct 5, 2013, 11:43pm
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dagoat Said:

17 grams is not enough for the stock Breville basket, even with a dark oily roast.  No wonder you get sticking pucks.  Sticking pucks are a symptom of a tapered wall basket that is under-dosed.  I rarely dose less than 18.5 grams into the Breville basket if the roast is dark, and up to 21 grams if the roast is really really light.  It seriously makes THAT much difference.  I would be surprised and disappointed if a well known brand like Red Bird were roasted too dark.  i would start with absolutely no less than 19.0g.  maybe 19.5g or 20g depending on how light the beans looked, (i roast my own, so i've never seen red bird).  I almost never use less than 20.0g on my own home roasts in the stock Breville basket.

-Peter

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19g up gives weight to the puck so it dont stick, this is what ive learned from bubbadude

 
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Posted Sun Oct 6, 2013, 4:57am
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carz07 Said:

do you weigh you beans, if your dosing is steady then its bean age
you do hit the shower head?
usually its a reverse, you hit 9bar and then slowly eases, or a back and forth - but these case starts low to 9bars not in between

what grinder are you using?

Posted October 3, 2013 link

I have a vario.

Problem solved
Finished the rest of the bag and bought fresh beans and bam no more problems.
Must of been the age.
Thanks again to evveryone for their input.
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