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PrescottCR
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 7:18am
Subject: Re: Different baskets
 

sqroot3 Said:

I am considering getting a vst basket just to play with. my primary goal is to try lower doses of coffee and see what flavor profiles I get...

With the stock single-walled baskets, I am using 19-20g in the double and 17g in the single to get reasonable extractions. This dosing is partially (largely, I suppose) dictated by the fact that I need to put enough grinds into the basket to be able to tamp without bottoming out along the taper. The single basket, with its tiny extraction screen/small open area, is particularly difficult to dial in.

In your experience, which vst baskets have you found to be most successful, and at what doses? Or, do you have any suggestions for more traditional, straight-walled, non-vst baskets that accommodate lower doses while maintaining a reasonable headspace?

Posted August 18, 2013 link

17g seems pretty heavy for the Breville Single basket, most of us get about 13g in it to where it tamps okay. I find it to be a fussy basket myself.

Here's some perspective on the VSTs - "What exactly are VST baskets and are they worth it?"?Page=4

That will take you to the last page, you might want to read all of them. For me they left soggy pucks if you under dose them. Which is pretty minor all things considered. Since you're interested in not wasting espresso you might consider the 7gm VST basket and get a 40mm (or whichever one was correct) tamp base. That combo worked perfect for me, and the shots were delicious.
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 7:29am
Subject: Re: Different baskets
 

PrescottCR Said:

Since you're interested in not wasting espresso you might consider the 7gm VST basket and get a 40mm (or whichever one was correct) tamp base. That combo worked perfect for me, and the shots were delicious.

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isnt 7g too small at 1:2 normale you get 14g thats just half an ounce. what do you usual do with the 7g a lunggo?

 
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:11am
Subject: Re: Different baskets
 

No lungos, just normales in small americanos.

I'm a wholesale coffee roaster and I find this a good way to test roasts. The BDB can pull good shots from just about any roast, even light or dark roasts that wouldn't be palatable at stock temps.

Recently I've been back to the 18g basket and spouted PF because I make coffee for two every time... but the 7g worked well for that purpose for me when I only needed 1 shot. I have cafes that are always curious about doing singles shots, this is one way I can recommend for them.
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 3:22pm
Subject: Re: baratza preciso for breville dual boiler
 

carz07 Said:

in a manner of .00 in the scale, how many grams is in question? i pre weight my beans

is the fine setting able to choke the bdb? i mean do i still have few more clicks left for turkish?

Posted August 18, 2013 link

When it's really off its as much as a half gram, more often it's 1 to 2 tenths. So far my grind has been above 8 on the nominal coarse grind scale, meaning I've lots of room to tighten things down and get talc if I need it. Seems like many of my home roasts are coming in around 18.7 to 19 grams to a double charge basket supplied with the 900. This gives me just enough cake to compress down to the tamp stop and gain 9 bar extractions. (and If I didn't say it: yes, yes you can stuff up the works perfectly well with how fine the preciso grinds. :) )
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 6:45pm
Subject: Re: Different baskets
 

PrescottCR Said:

No lungos, just normales in small americanos.

I'm a wholesale coffee roaster and I find this a good way to test roasts. The BDB can pull good shots from just about any roast, even light or dark roasts that wouldn't be palatable at stock temps. .

Posted August 19, 2013 link

ah small americanos ok, what i do with my 30g wet is add a little water sometime to prolong the drinking pleasure hehehe sometimes just half to an ounce.

a little off topic here both the 7g grind would be different from a 15g grind right? i mean even both are vst or of the same brand, when i pull at 7g to dial a shot then it means ive dialed it meant for a 7g, it will chance if i use 15g after right?

 
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 7:07pm
Subject: Re: baratza preciso for breville dual boiler
 

MerleApAmber Said:

When it's really off its as much as a half gram, more often it's 1 to 2 tenths. So far my grind has been above 8 on the nominal coarse grind scale, meaning I've lots of room to tighten things down and get talc if I need it. Seems like many of my home roasts are coming in around 18.7 to 19 grams to a double charge basket supplied with the 900. This gives me just enough cake to compress down to the tamp stop and gain 9 bar extractions. (and If I didn't say it: yes, yes you can stuff up the works perfectly well with how fine the preciso grinds. :) )

Posted August 19, 2013 link

as long as there is still room to grind finer im ok with that hehehe i dont want to get into a scenario where you just cant do another turn to make fine enough hahahaha thanks

 
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 8:46pm
Subject: Re: Different baskets
 

That's the same question I was wondering.. can I use the same grind for both baskets? That would be great for customers looking to pull both singles and doubles. I believe I got pretty close, but I had to use two tampers. So if you want to spend the money on baskets and a second tamp, it can be done.
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 9:24pm
Subject: Re: Different baskets
 

PrescottCR Said:

That's the same question I was wondering.. can I use the same grind for both baskets? That would be great for customers looking to pull both singles and doubles. I believe I got pretty close, but I had to use two tampers. So if you want to spend the money on baskets and a second tamp, it can be done.

Posted August 19, 2013 link

so you mean it can be the same grind, but then the tamp can differ or adjusted. i would assume the 7g will be finer than whats mean for the 15g. so if i use the same grind set then would it mean i should tamp lighter on the 15g?

 
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:57pm
Subject: Re: Different baskets
 

carz07 Said:

hi im using the 15g vst basket, since im going through different types of SO and blends. the reason why is that i want to lessen my waste. and with the straight wall i can tamp atleast 15lb

Posted August 18, 2013 link

What typical dose are you using in the 15g vst, and how wet are your pucks?
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Posted Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:03pm
Subject: Re: Different baskets
 

PrescottCR Said:

17g seems pretty heavy for the Breville Single basket, most of us get about 13g in it to where it tamps okay. I find it to be a fussy basket myself.

Here's some perspective on the VSTs - "What exactly are VST baskets and are they worth it?"?Page=4

That will take you to the last page, you might want to read all of them. For me they left soggy pucks if you under dose them. Which is pretty minor all things considered. Since you're interested in not wasting espresso you might consider the 7gm VST basket and get a 40mm (or whichever one was correct) tamp base. That combo worked perfect for me, and the shots were delicious.

Posted August 19, 2013 link

Thanks for the input. Man, getting another tamper (and even just dosing the vst 7g) seems like a hassle! I now have an old LM single, but any other options for single baskets?
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