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biochemgawd
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Posted Wed May 15, 2013, 12:40pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

epengr Said:

My brand new machine doesn't seem to have the OPV set right - it maxes out at 14+.  I don't know if I should try to get it exchanged or just get my dose/grind tamp down.    It's WAY different for the DBD than for my Oscar, I have yet to dial it in.  Then again, the Oscar doesn't have a gauge so I'm suddenly juggling one more variable.

I'm torn...

(Hey, maybe I'll get a /B if I swap it...)

Posted May 15, 2013 link

If you want to adjust the OPV yourself, it isn't all that hard - maybe 20 minutes (http://nic.steve-tek.com/?page_id=180). Although, a cross-shipped swap is a pretty nice deal, especially if you get a newer version.
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JMFishtown
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Posted Wed May 15, 2013, 3:37pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

I'd say go for the swap, there are a fair amount of advantages to having a late model A or a B: firmware, possibly new gasket, and no reason not to
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dagoat
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Posted Wed May 15, 2013, 4:48pm
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

epengr Said:

I'm just looking for a BDB specific FAQ/primer

Posted May 15, 2013 link

My point was that there IS nothing you need to know that is peculiar about the BDB.  Part of what is so good about the BDB.  It behaves like a commercial machine in that there is nothing about it that you need to compensate for.  It is all up to you and your Barista skill and know-how... To include knowing how to tell if your grinder is inadequate, and how to compensate for it if it is sub-optimal, but not a total loss (the smart grinder comes to mind).

-Peter
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JMFishtown
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Posted Thu May 16, 2013, 7:50am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

I have a question: Does anyone have a Reg Barber Tamper? If so did you get just 58 mm?

I know each machine probably has minor variances but has anyone measured the basket with calipers?
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PHM
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Posted Thu May 16, 2013, 3:46pm
Subject: Re: Latte Art
 

Yes what coffeefan said seems to make sense.  I too have been unable to do latte art with the Breville Dual Boiler after several weeks now.  I have gotten close enough several times that I know it must be possible.  For me the problem seems to be I am not foaming the milk enough.  I'll only get "microfoam" at the end of the pour or something.  Of course I'm pretty new to this, so I still make other mistakes as well, such as with the shot, the grind, etc., etc.  But it does seem to me that you have to steam milk a certain way if using this Breville.  More time "expanding" is apparently needed than I was giving it, and I think you need to be careful with the quantity of the milk.  Too much won't work because the microfoam stays in the pitcher at the end.  Vigorous swirling of the pitcher before pouring doesn't seem to help.

Believe me, at this point I've tried pretty much everything to get latte art on the Breville Double Boiler (the reason I bought the machine).  But I still think I'll get it eventually and I keep on trying.  It's a great machine so I'm sure it will work.
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PHM
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Posted Thu May 16, 2013, 3:58pm
Subject: Re: Latte Art
 

Wow i'm impressed with the posts here.  I was just looking back (haven't visited in a few days) and it's nice to see I'm at least visiting the right thread.  Thanks to those posting their latte art made with this machine.  It's very good encouragement to people like me.  I'm still not sure if I am under-expanding or over-expanding milk or making some other mistakes (my crema never seems that thick and breaks up easy) but my coffee skills have definitely improved since getting the BDB.
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donner
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Posted Fri May 17, 2013, 8:29am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

JMFishtown Said:

I have a question: Does anyone have a Reg Barber Tamper? If so did you get just 58 mm?

I know each machine probably has minor variances but has anyone measured the basket with calipers?

Posted May 16, 2013 link


I have a Reg Barber 58 mm tamper.  It fits and works well with the Breville baskets - probably works better than the Breville tamper.  The longer wooden handle on the Reg Barber tamper gives a better grip and more control for tamping.  And coffee sticks a lot less to the Reg Barber stainless steel base than to the Breville tamper base.
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epengr
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Posted Fri May 17, 2013, 10:29am
Subject: Re: Latte Art
 

Coming down to the BDB from an NS Oscar, I"ve been able to get excellent microfoam and decent art right away.   I find the BDB WAY easier to steam with.  The Oscar's a brutal, unforgiving dragon, the DBD is nearly magical to me.

From what you describe, I'd suggest waiting 5-10s (15s?) before pouring, swirling very gently, if at all.  I find this gives the foam time to "set".  I think what's happening in the foam is slowly coming to the surface allowing you to pour the milk out form under it and have the foam come out last to draw with.  If you wait too long, you'll get a think "cappuccino"  cap in you pitcher that'll come out as a lump.  It's all in the timing.

I'm no expert, that's just what works for me.

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epengr
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Posted Fri May 17, 2013, 10:34am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

dagoat Said:

My point was that there IS nothing you need to know that is peculiar about the BDB.  Part of what is so good about the BDB.  It behaves like a commercial machine in that there is nothing about it that you need to compensate for.  It is all up to you and your Barista skill and know-how... To include knowing how to tell if your grinder is inadequate, and how to compensate for it if it is sub-optimal, but not a total loss (the smart grinder comes to mind).

-Peter

Posted May 15, 2013 link

Really?  There's no BDB specific, useful information?

MFishtown:

"if you still have an A model pull out the black plastic in the bottom of your portafilter"

"do a chemical back flush only when the machine’s “clean me” cycle comes up

"Don’t use the volumetric buttons; they’re finicky and really don’t add much convenience."

"VST Baskets do fit in the stock portafilter all the way up to the 21g"

"No the lugs on the PF / Group Head do not match any other machines"

"Hot water comes from the BREW BOILER not the steam boiler, so if you open the hot water valve a tiny bit (i mean a tiny bit) you can do some pressure profiling on the shot"
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epengr
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Posted Fri May 17, 2013, 10:38am
Subject: Re: Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL Owners Thread
 

JMFishtown Said:

I have a question: Does anyone have a Reg Barber Tamper? If so did you get just 58 mm?

I know each machine probably has minor variances but has anyone measured the basket with calipers?

Posted May 16, 2013 link

I haven't measured it, but I have a 58.4mm "Forty Ninth Tamper" that was sold to fit VST baskets "perfectly".  It fits the BDB stock basket just as well.

'cause good espresso comes down to microns and milliBar, right?  ;)
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