Posted Tue Dec 13, 2011, 3:12pm Subject: Re: It has arrived - Breville Dual Boiler BES900XL!
Eric has been bashing the BDB sight unseen for several months now, so don't take his attacks on you personally. There are a number of people who feel threatened by the BDB and they've been lashing out on this thread for some time. The issue, as I understand it, is that they spent $2500 or more on a legacy espresso machine and were ridiculed by their wives/girlfriends/partners for making such extravagant purchases for what amounts to a kitchen appliance. "What kind of man spends $2500 on a coffee pot?" is the general complaint.
Along comes the BDB which does a better job than their ridicule-maker and they can see they're in for a new round of abuse if the thing pans out. So naturally they want to avoid that fate.
I took it wrong then if you were making a joke. I forgot what a real troll looks like and I apologize for lumping you into the bubbucket o' trolls...
We are serious about coffee and gear but the tone I get overall from the forum regarding this machine is one of cautious optimism. I am not sure if you are aware but one of these machines will be or already is shipping among some members of this forum (another new product - the Crossland CC1 is making a similar journey) - the cost of admission is paying freight to send it to the next tester - no one in it just to bash a new machine is likely to volunteer money to do what they can do for free if that truly is the intent. People care about this machine and senior members are willing to part with funds to help create a review. This forum is by and large open minded.
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
I am not sure if you are aware but one of these machines will be or already is shipping among some members of this forum (another new product - the Crossland CC1 is making a similar journey) - the cost of admission is paying freight to send it to the next tester - no one in it just to bash a new machine is likely to volunteer money to do what they can do for free if that truly is the intent.
OK, so is that, but rather that letting this devolve into sort sort of totally unwarranted "flame war" which calls down upon this discussion the Wrath of God moderators, I would just ask you Michael to point to ONE unwarranted comment, one example of name-calling, baiting, and/or flaming on my part in this entire thread. There may be one -- I have not gone through and re-visited all now-eight pages of this discussion -- and so, please, point it out to me. (We may quibble on my reply to Richard ("BubbaDude"), but I was responding to a comment I found extremely offensive, rather than calling anyone names and/or attacking a product/individual.)
Someone earlier mentions the s/n (signal-to-noise) ratio. I would suggest, Michael, that posts such as yours and Richard's ("BubbaDude") do a disservice to the entire coffee geek community.
No, it really was obnoxious. I haven't seen any members here suggesting $2,500 machines to those asking about the BDB. I have seen geeks recommending that people look at machines of a similar price like an Oscar, BZ07, Silvano, La Nuova Era Cuadra, etc which seems fair enough to me. Most of these actually sell for less then the BDB, so I don't see any classism going on or hyping of the "Italian machines costing twice as much" I've been hearing about lately. And using "legacy" to describe other machines as though their owners have the coffee equivalent of Windows ME sitting in their kitchens is, well, obnoxious. As for pots and kettles, Jason's last breathless, hysterical screed against the BDB was "and so I still remain somewhat skeptical/cautious about this machine".
i wasn't talking about this thread, just your posts in general. believe it or not some of your posts are just as obnoxious. not so much offensive obnoxious as much as annoying and contemptible obnoxious.
i would suggest, Zin, that you use a different word next time you want to call the kettle black. ;)
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