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calblacksmith
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Posted Tue Dec 13, 2011, 4:02pm
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Jason + 1000!

 
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EricBNC
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Posted Tue Dec 13, 2011, 4:12pm
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BubbaDude Said:

Eric has been bashing the BDB sight unseen for several months now, so don't take his attacks on you personally. There are a number of people who feel threatened by the BDB and they've been lashing out on this thread for some time. The issue, as I understand it, is that they spent $2500 or more on a legacy espresso machine and were ridiculed by their wives/girlfriends/partners for making such extravagant purchases for what amounts to a kitchen appliance. "What kind of man spends $2500 on a coffee pot?" is the general complaint.

Along comes the BDB which does a better job than their ridicule-maker and they can see they're in for a new round of abuse if the thing pans out. So naturally they want to avoid that fate.

Like I said, don't take it personally.

Posted December 13, 2011 link

Don't make me get those Australian enthusiasts over here to serve up yet another verbal beat down on you this close to Christmas.




SHCoffee Said:

Eric:

I've offended you when I truly did not mean to.  (Heck, you're the one who graciously pointed out the 30% coupon!)

Posted December 13, 2011 link

I took it wrong then if you were making a joke. I forgot what a real troll looks like and I apologize for lumping you into the bubbucket o' trolls...


Honestly,

We are serious about coffee and gear but the tone I get overall from the forum regarding this machine is one of cautious optimism.  I am not sure if you are aware but one of these machines will be or already is shipping among some members of this forum (another new product - the Crossland CC1 is making a similar journey) - the cost of admission is paying freight to send it to the next tester - no one in it just to bash a new machine is likely to volunteer money to do what they can do for free if that truly is the intent.  People care about this machine and senior members are willing to part with funds to help create a review.  This forum is by and large open minded.

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Tue Dec 13, 2011, 4:15pm
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EricBNC Said:

This forum is by and large open minded.

Posted December 13, 2011 link

The forum is open-minded, some of the people not so much.

 
"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince
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SHCoffee
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Posted Tue Dec 13, 2011, 4:19pm
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EricBNC Said:

I took it wrong then if you were making a joke. I forgot what a real troll looks like and I apologize for lumping you into the bubbucket o' trolls...

Posted December 13, 2011 link

Peace.

EricBNC Said:

I am not sure if you are aware but one of these machines will be or already is shipping among some members of this forum (another new product - the Crossland CC1 is making a similar journey) - the cost of admission is paying freight to send it to the next tester - no one in it just to bash a new machine is likely to volunteer money to do what they can do for free if that truly is the intent.  

Posted December 13, 2011 link

I remember reading about the road trip.  I am looking forward to the reports (if for no other reason than to hopefully pick up tips from the experts on how to get the most out of the machine).

Cheers.
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Posted Tue Dec 13, 2011, 4:37pm
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Now THAT'S obnoxious . . . .

Posted December 13, 2011 link

Bitches_Brew Said:

said the pot.......

Posted December 13, 2011 link

OK, so is that, but rather that letting this devolve into sort sort of totally unwarranted "flame war" which calls down upon this discussion the Wrath of God moderators, I would just ask you Michael to point to ONE unwarranted comment, one example of name-calling, baiting, and/or flaming on my part in this entire thread.  There may be one -- I have not gone through and re-visited all now-eight pages of this discussion -- and so, please, point it out to me.  (We may quibble on my reply to Richard ("BubbaDude"), but I was responding to a comment I found extremely offensive, rather than calling anyone names and/or attacking a product/individual.)

Someone earlier mentions the s/n (signal-to-noise) ratio.  I would suggest, Michael, that posts such as yours and Richard's ("BubbaDude") do a disservice to the entire coffee geek community.

 
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Posted Tue Dec 13, 2011, 4:45pm
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

I would suggest, Michael, that posts such as yours and Richard's ("BubbaDude") do a disservice to the entire coffee geek community.

Posted December 13, 2011 link

What was offensive about my comment? You know it's true.

 
"I've Scaced many HX/E61 machines, seeing shot variances of up to 8-10F or more. [The BDB] stays within 1F." - Mark Prince
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EricBNC
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Posted Tue Dec 13, 2011, 4:59pm
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SHCoffee Said:

I remember reading about the road trip.  I am looking forward to the reports (if for no other reason than to hopefully pick up tips from the experts on how to get the most out of the machine).

Cheers.

Posted December 13, 2011 link

You and me both - I think the lessons they share will be helpful for me too - I do not consider my espresso to be even close to perfect...yet! ; )

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Tue Dec 13, 2011, 5:00pm
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BubbaDude Said:

You know it's true.

Posted December 13, 2011 link

Actually, quite the contrary . . .

BubbaDude Said:

What was offensive about my comment?

Posted December 13, 2011 link

Just about everything, I think.  Well, maybe a word or two, here and there, wasn't, but -- for the most part . . . .

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

And with that, I respectfully suggest we return to the topic at hand.  I'm done commenting upon these comments.  Let's discuss the Breville instead.  (What a novel concept!)

 
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Posted Tue Dec 13, 2011, 5:02pm
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Bitches_Brew Said:

said the pot . . . .

Posted December 13, 2011 link

No, it really was obnoxious.  I haven't seen any members here suggesting $2,500 machines to those asking about the BDB.   I have seen geeks recommending that people look at machines of a similar price like an Oscar, BZ07, Silvano, La Nuova Era Cuadra, etc which seems fair enough to me.   Most of these actually sell for less then the BDB, so I don't see any classism going on or hyping of the "Italian machines costing twice as much" I've been hearing about lately.   And using "legacy" to describe other machines as though their owners have the coffee equivalent of Windows ME sitting in their kitchens is, well, obnoxious.  As for pots and kettles, Jason's last breathless, hysterical screed against the BDB was "and so I still remain somewhat skeptical/cautious about this machine".
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Posted Tue Dec 13, 2011, 6:34pm
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

I would just ask you Michael to point to ONE unwarranted comment, one example of name-calling, baiting, and/or flaming on my part in this entire thread.

Posted December 13, 2011 link

i wasn't talking about this thread, just your posts in general. believe it or not some of your posts are just as obnoxious. not so much offensive obnoxious as much as annoying and contemptible obnoxious.

i would suggest, Zin, that you use a different word next time you want to call the kettle black. ;)

 
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