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Stiliketheblues
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Posted Wed Oct 26, 2011, 5:05am
Subject: Woot deal - any good?
 

Saeco S-OG-SG Odea Giro Super-Automatic Espresso Machine
Click Here (home.woot.com)

This seems like a great price on the machine.
Is this machine any good? The amazon reviews are mostly nice except for the folks who received lemons.

Since everything is inside one unit - it will be spouse friendly.

It is pretty much plastic and has a small water capacity - but I can live with that...

I am curious to hear what other memebers think of this machine...

Thanks!
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Posted Wed Oct 26, 2011, 6:02am
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Not a fan of SA here and esp, not cheep ones. I see nothing there that would make me want to spend my money. Ease of use over quality of drink is not a choice I make.

"designed by BMW DesignworksUSA"

This is not a heart warming thought. That is like saying THIS CAR WAS MADE BY MAYTAG AND YOU KNOW HOW LONG THEY LAST.  A car manufacturer is not the first place I would go for a coffee machine.

"The ceramic disc grinder offers a steady grind but won’t absorb stray flavors"

Just what is a ceramic disc grinder? Perhaps a flat burr disc. How big? How fast does it turn? How is anything ceramic going to be any less absorbent than a metal part?

"The old methods are gone. No more stuffing coffee grounds through a wet burger-joint napkin. A grown-up wants a coffee machine like the Odea Giro Plus Super Automatic Espresso Machine, and a grown-up will immediately understand why."

Well, if you are comparing it to stuffing grounds in a wet fast food joint napkin for brewing.... I guess it will make better coffee than that, but how much better?

Me, I'll pass but if you are feeling lucky... let us know how it turns out.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 26, 2011, 6:41am
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It all depends on what you expect from the machine.

If it's a more or less decent cup of regular coffee, the results might be better than stale drip coffee made from pre-ground coffee bought at the supermarket. If it's good espresso, you'll have to forget it. A lot of people here will find it arguable if any superautomatic is capable of brewing real espresso. But at least you won't find such a machine at the price range of the Saeco Odea Giro Plus Super Automatic Espresso Machine.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 26, 2011, 6:48am
Subject: Re: Woot deal - any good?
 

calblacksmith Said:

"The ceramic disc grinder offers a steady grind but won’t absorb stray flavors"

Just what is a ceramic disc grinder? Perhaps a flat burr disc. How big? How fast does it turn? How is anything ceramic going to be any less absorbent than a metal part?

Posted October 26, 2011 link

I love when the marketing department starts making things up as they go along.   Especially when they invent new properties of materials....

Maybe the ceramic is glazed and fired? ;)

"The old methods are gone. No more stuffing coffee grounds through a wet burger-joint napkin. A grown-up wants a coffee machine like the Odea Giro Plus Super Automatic Espresso Machine, and a grown-up will immediately understand why."

Well, if you are comparing it to stuffing grounds in a wet fast food joint napkin for brewing.... I guess it will make better coffee than that, but how much better?

So let me see if I understand the marketing fluff here.  Children make their coffee by stuffing coffee grounds into wet burger joint napkins and...I don't know...steeping them in hot water or something.   Grown-ups want a robot to make their coffee for them.   This sells the product...how? :)
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Posted Wed Oct 26, 2011, 7:00am
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Thank you folks!

I was skeptical too, but your posts helped me avoid blowing $400.

I will keep looking and reading till I find the Machine!
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Posted Wed Oct 26, 2011, 9:51am
Subject: Re: Woot deal - any good?
 

Stiliketheblues Said:

Saeco S-OG-SG Odea Giro Super-Automatic Espresso Machine

Posted October 26, 2011 link

Have you looked at any of the other superauto threads?

calblacksmith Said:

No more stuffing coffee grounds through a wet burger-joint napkin.

Posted October 26, 2011 link

I wasn't aware that you needed to do this to make espresso. :P

TheMadTamper Said:

So let me see if I understand the marketing fluff here.  Children make their coffee by stuffing coffee grounds into wet burger joint napkins and...I don't know...steeping them in hot water or something.   Grown-ups want a robot to make their coffee for them.   This sells the product...how? :)

Posted October 26, 2011 link

I guess you have to consider the market that would shop for this.  Still, I'm not sure that incorrectly insulting your intended customers is the best approach.

In any case, it's Woot's marketing, not Saeco so I'm not surprised:
Click Here (www.saeco-usa.com)
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Posted Wed Oct 26, 2011, 10:12am
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Ahhh.. the old "spouse friendly/acceptance" factor.
Start from the beginning. What are the priorities.. the bottom line?
Is it the best possible cup of coffee? Does it have to be espresso?
How about the best possible rich, full-bodied cup of coffee, that is easy to make and operates in a wide range of parameters, for the least amount of money? My vote would be for the Espro Press and any good grinder, fed quality coffee. After espresso, it is my favorite coffee-making method/appliance. I do have a review of it on my website. Currently they just have the one size. A three cup model is in the works and should be out before mid-2012.. probably sooner.

 
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Stiliketheblues
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Posted Wed Oct 26, 2011, 10:40am
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Priorities:
Great cup of espresso.
Not too much of a start up/wait time for things to heat up.
Not needing to upgrade for a while.
Spouse friendly, reasonable footprint.
Durable... Bang for buck if possible.
Locally serviceable (in US).

Budget: $1500 with any accessories etc. I already have a Vario for grinding.

I get good coffee I am happy with using my Hario v60 and the Aeropress. As tempted as I am, I have been resisting the Espro press.
I want to get the Espresso/latte/cappucino side covered.
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Posted Wed Oct 26, 2011, 11:57am
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Stiliketheblues Said:

Priorities:
Great cup of espresso.
Not too much of a start up/wait time for things to heat up.
Not needing to upgrade for a while.
Spouse friendly, reasonable footprint.
Durable... Bang for buck if possible.
Locally serviceable (in US).

Budget: $1500 with any accessories etc. I already have a Vario for grinding.

I get good coffee I am happy with using my Hario v60 and the Aeropress. As tempted as I am, I have been resisting the Espro press.
I want to get the Espresso/latte/cappucino side covered.

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You have a $1500 budget and already have a Vario and you were looking at a Saeco super-automatic....why? :)

With a budget like that, first we'll remove accessories....no need to go high end there if it affects your machine choice...a normal common tamper and a steam pitcher or three, common knock box, cleaner will tide you over.  You can wait for accessory-itis to bite you later :)  You may want to throw in a bottomless PF, and a thermometer for steaming.  Including the bottomless, I see no reason to have to go over $150 in accessories.  And most of that is the bottomless PF.  If you want tamp stands, more baskets, whatever.  There's no reason to go nuts over accessories....our $100million tamper collections are obsessions not requirements ;)

So lets say you have a $1300-1400 machine budget.  That opens the door to any entry level HX (and even a little beyond entry level), such as NS Oscar, Salvatore SES, QM Anita, Bezzera BZ07.  Plus "boiler and a half" machines like QM Silvano, Crossland CC1, and also the new Breville DB...however I'm VERY reluctant to recommend that until some more feedback comes in such as the pending road trip.  

You already have the fantastic grinder to go with any of these machines, and all of these machines (plus others that didn't come to mind) will produce a great (excellent) cup of espresso.  Depending on where your geekdom takes you, you may never need to upgrade, these are all (except maybe the CC1 which is much cheaper and aimed toward the SBDU market), and except the Breville which is truly consumer, meant for home/office/small restaurant use, and all known for excellent results.  

None of these are the largest machines around, but the Salvatore, Oscar, and BZ07 are probably the most "narrow profile" of the bunch.  The CC1 certainly is.  The Silvano may be as well.  Anita's a little wider.   The Breville is larger physically but looks more like a traditional "kitchen store appliance" rather than like specialty appliances.  "Spouse friendly" is relative....something like Anita and BZ07 is the "all chrome" look.  Oscar, CC1, look more consumer-ish.  The Salvatore is a unique aesthetic...fits well at home while still having a command presence.  On the other hand, if you like big shiny expensive things in your kitchen, none of these wouldn't fit well at home.  (How can any highly polished metal not be spouse friendly??) :)

Service....define "locally serviceable"?   The Breville is a "factory service only" type of machine like any Chinese-made consumer appliance found in a big box store.  The CC1, I'm less certain.  All the others could be serviced yourself or by any espresso repair shop.  The question is, of course, finding a repair shop anywhere outside a major metropolis :)  Unfortunately "spouse friendly" often means "plastic, sealed disposable product"...commercial-type equipment is meant to be repaired....and looks more robust.  (Note that the Oscar is plastic outside, but inside is a full semi-commercial machine, with all the brass, copper, and stainless that implies.)

So that leaves start up/wait time.  The bad news there: Espresso machines have a LOT of metal to heat up.  That's kind of the point of them.  The boilers will heat up within 10 minutes, but for most machines it takes 30-60 minutes for all that metal to reach thermal equilibrium.  Any espresso machine should either be given plenty of time to heat up, or placed on a timer for early startup.   No matter what machine you end up buying, I would consider the factors of using a timer or leaving it on a bit before using it.  Just because the boiler says it's at temperature, doesn't mean the group and all the tubing between is.  Think of when you turn your hot tap water on and have to run cold water for a while until the warm water arrives at the pipe, then it gradually gets warmer.  The cold pipes in the house are being heated by the hot water going through them.  It takes a while for that sort of thing to happen to all the metal in the espresso machine so that when you turn the pump ("faucet") on, the water's already at the right temp as soon as it comes out, without having any cold plumbing cooling the water!

Since you already have an espresso grinder....there's not much point seeking super-autos.  You're already half-way there! :)
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Posted Wed Oct 26, 2011, 1:47pm
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+1 to what TheMadTamper said.
Best bang for buck, fast heat up, reasonable footprint, great espresso... sounds like the Mypressi Twist!

 
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