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Posted Sun Oct 23, 2011, 8:36am
Subject: Re: The Crossland CC1 Machine - CG Road Trip!! (Looking for a few good geeks)
 

Thanks to all for your interest.  
We have some volunteers, and I will update this thread soon.


Juts to let everyone know - I may have made a rather large error regarding our road trip.
When I update the thread I will give details.  

Cheers,
Jon

 
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Posted Sun Oct 23, 2011, 5:53pm
Subject: Re: The Crossland CC1 Machine - CG Road Trip!! (Looking for a few good geeks)
 

JonR10 Said:

Thanks to all for your interest.  
We have some volunteers, and I will update this thread soon.

Posted October 23, 2011 link

Ugh!  Looks like I may have missed my golden opportunity :-/
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Posted Tue Oct 25, 2011, 9:05am
Subject: Re: The Crossland CC1 Machine - CG Road Trip!! (Looking for a few good geeks)
 

JonR10 Said:

Juts to let everyone know - I may have made a rather large error regarding our road trip.
When I update the thread I will give details.  

Cheers,
Jon

Posted October 23, 2011 link

OK - we are proceeding!  

My error was that we are also planning a similar trip for the Breville Double Boiler and I was supposed to post that first.....
So stay tuned for that one, to be announced (formally) soon!  

In the meantime, we have our volunteers for the CC1 lined up and I will contact that group offline when we start this up.

Cheers,
Jon

 
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Posted Tue Oct 25, 2011, 9:53am
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Hi Jon,

Great to see it proceeding. I'd be up for the Breville DB or any DB / HX units coming on the road trip.

Thanks!

Ted
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Posted Tue Oct 25, 2011, 3:11pm
Subject: Re: The Crossland CC1 Machine - CG Road Trip!! (Looking for a few good geeks)
 

I have been sick since thur and this is on my cell phone. I would like to help out with either or both machines. Oh, btw, I have a selection of grinders LOL!

Edit. I would be willing to donate an RR 45 to the effort if you want it.

 
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Posted Fri Oct 28, 2011, 9:28am
Subject: Re: The Crossland CC1 Machine - CG Road Trip!! (Looking for a few good geeks)
 

Hey Jon-

Any word yet on the GS/3 road trip?  And limits on how long before we send it to the next tester?

Jon  ; )
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Posted Fri Oct 28, 2011, 9:38am
Subject: Re: The Crossland CC1 Machine - CG Road Trip!! (Looking for a few good geeks)
 

Great idea Jon, I would have joined in the Road Show, but, I brought one home last night from Clive Coffee and it is heating up next to the GS3 in the kitchen at the moment (I need a machine to use at work, so I thought I would try it). I ran through the parameters to see what the default settings were, and I came on here to see if anyone had a temp offset listed as mine is set at 0. If I don't find it I'm going to give Bill C. a call to check all the parameters before I pull some shots through it. I also need to get a bottomless for it, so I can use it with the scace, as the standard two lug PF's won't fit the group.
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Posted Fri Oct 28, 2011, 10:42am
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Yes, Bill ships them with offset at 0, so you can see the boiler sensor temp. I use mine at about -8. The defaults should be:

P6=2, P7=2, P8=4, P9=0.

I generally set my P9 to -8 or so, and set my P6 to 3 or 4, which will shorten your brew recycle times, at the expense of a bit of overshoot.

While initially testing, you might want to keep the defaults, then tweak after you get main temp set, to display what your preferences, and react from the baseline settings.

I think you'll enjoy it!
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Posted Fri Oct 28, 2011, 12:15pm
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I'd be interested in partaking. I am a Rancilio Silvia owner, (with a P.I.D.) but not sure I am well enough versed in all the tech-speak.
I am fascinated by the idea of such a simple platform for espresso. What is the price point for this machine? Is it for sale anywhere?
Dying to read a review or comparison...

Just saw the CC1 for $699 at Seattle Coffee Gear. I wondered if this was being compared to a Sivia if it was in the same price range.
Sweet deal with a P.I.D.

Still looking forward to seeing a comparison.
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Posted Fri Oct 28, 2011, 2:40pm
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ampguy Said:

Yes, Bill ships them with offset at 0, so you can see the boiler sensor temp. I use mine at about -8. The defaults should be:

P6=2, P7=2, P8=4, P9=0.

Posted October 28, 2011 link

Holy cow, -8? I just ran a battery of tests...I do not have a bottomless PF for it yet, so I double checked the GS3 with the scace, then set up the styrofoam cup with a digital temp probe in it, I had a 10 degree difference with this method on the GS3, then tested back & forth to the CC1 letting both recover to their set point. When I spoke with Bill before my testing to confirm the correct offset, he stated the difference was built into the software, so the setting would reflect 0 in the set-up menu...so you are not seeing the boiler temp, but what is expected at the group, on the display.

My observation was the first two to three after a 15 minute idle was dropping about 2 degrees, climbing to the setpoint on the 3rd pull or so. Each time I just waited for the unit to "beep" then retest. I also have the delay after 1 second pre-infuse set to 6 sec, so I would start the procedure, dump the initial amount from the cup and get it back under the group @ the 6 second mark, then run for about 80ml of water (around the 15-16 sec mark). I did find a flash boil from the group on about the 6-7th (back to back) test on the machine. I think this must be pushing the limits of boiler recovery, causing some type of thermal overshoot, but, with actual usage times of more like 2 minutes, this didn't occur.

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but thought the info on the settings would be useful as the machine gets sent around and played with.
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