latte_da Senior Member Joined: 1 Oct 2011 Posts: 6 Location: Lombard Expertise: I live coffee
Posted Sat Oct 22, 2011, 12:57pm Subject: Re: The Crossland CC1 Machine - CG Road Trip!! (Looking for a few good geeks)
Hello, My Delonghi 15bar pump machine burned out it steam wand and I could be interested in a CCI as a replacement. Except I cannot afford thousands of dollars to spend on it and a grinder too. What grinder do you use when you test this machine on your road trip? If the machine tests out to be good I want to be able to reproduce those same result at home that your testers produce. Except one tester says he has a Mahlkönig K30 grinder which costs 2000 dollars. One tester says he has a Compak K10 grinder which costs 1300 dollars. Some one else has a Mazzer Major grinder which costs $1000.00 and so on. Are these grinders a requirement for getting good results from a CCI machine? I cannot afford them grinders. If you are trying to sell coffeegeek members a CCI espresso machines why are you using people with thousands dollars grinders to show how the machine works? If I have a 2000 dollar grinder then I will not own a CCI.
Posted Sat Oct 22, 2011, 1:16pm Subject: Re: The Crossland CC1 Machine - CG Road Trip!! (Looking for a few good geeks)
Are these grinders a requirement for getting good results from a CCI machine? I cannot afford them grinders. If you are trying to sell coffeegeek members a CCI espresso machines why are you using people with thousands dollars grinders to show how the machine works? If I have a 2000 dollar grinder then I will not own a CCI.
This is a valid concern, but having a capable espresso grinder is necessary to evaluate the machine properly. Any boiler/pump espresso machine not using a pressurized portafilter will require an espresso capable grinder. The grinder might be a Hario Mini, or it might be a Mazzer Robur, but it will need to be capable of grinding for espresso. I suspect some members here have access to a diverse selection of capable electric grinders too so even if you are not in the market for an expensive grinder to go along with a new CC1, you should find helpful information from who ever participates in the evaluation.
What grinder are you using now Leroy? Maybe someone has it or something close to it available.
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
Leroy makes a fair point. While it's probably not a good idea to designate one specific grinder as the standard for all the participants to universally employ in their CC1 evaluations, it would be nice if they could dust off their backup grinders that might be more suitable matches given the CC1's target price range.
Such a non-Titan grinder would be used for any A-B comparisons by that particular tester, thereby eliminating the grinder as a variable. This also enables a "paired samples" analysis schema (if it comes to that) regardless of the variety in the grinder population across different testers.
It's great to see this project will come to pass given the enthusiasm already exhibited here. Odds are that the CC1 is, or will lead directly to, an important machine and the impressions and experiences will make interesting (and entertaining) reading.
jwoodyu Senior Member Joined: 31 Dec 2010 Posts: 847 Location: Michigan Expertise: I live coffee
Espresso: Allex Duetto II Grinder: Mazzer Major
Posted Sat Oct 22, 2011, 3:28pm Subject: Re: The Crossland CC1 Machine - CG Road Trip!! (Looking for a few good geeks)
It might be fun or interesting if each person shipped 1/3 of pound or so of the beans they tested with along with the machine to the next person. They would need to be fresh out of the freezer and it would strictly in addition to the testers own normal blend etc. The blend would change with every hop but it might still be interesting.
Actually there should be some type of standardized criteria and reporting system that all the tester use in addition to their own essay or tome in the case of the Mad Tamper :)
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Posted Sat Oct 22, 2011, 4:53pm Subject: Re: The Crossland CC1 Machine - CG Road Trip!! (Looking for a few good geeks)
Hello all, We are organizing a road trip for a test unit Crossland CC1 Espresso machine. So I am looking for a few good geeks who would be willing to take the machine for a week or so and run it through the paces and then post some detailed results and impressions.
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