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Stiliketheblues
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Joined: 9 Jan 2011
Posts: 28
Location: Manlius
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Bialetti
Grinder: Vario
Vac Pot: Aeropress
Drip: Zojirushi/Hario
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Mon Jul 11, 2011, 6:04pm
Subject: First time espresso buyer - $1000 budget
 

Hey Folks,
Time has come for me to get my first real machine. I have been using stove top espresso till now!
I already have a decent grinder... I think, in the Vario.
So I guess what I need is recommendations for a nice semi-automatic.
Now remember this has to go on a kitchen cabinet top, which is an extension of our living area, so it cant be huge or overbearing, or I will be kicked out of my own house!
The only one I know from the little research I have done is the Rancilio Silvia V3. With the base added I think it comes to around $800!
Anything else I should be looking at in this price range.

I know this is probably one of the commonest posts on this forum... so please bear with me.

Regards
Kaul.
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psychobrew
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Location: Maryland
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Posted Mon Jul 11, 2011, 6:21pm
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Decide on your grinder first.
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Stiliketheblues
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Joined: 9 Jan 2011
Posts: 28
Location: Manlius
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Bialetti
Grinder: Vario
Vac Pot: Aeropress
Drip: Zojirushi/Hario
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Mon Jul 11, 2011, 6:22pm
Subject: Re: First time espresso buyer - $1000 budget
 

psychobrew Said:

Decide on your grinder first.

Posted July 11, 2011 link

What do u mean... the vario wont cut it?
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elwood00
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elwood00
Joined: 15 Nov 2007
Posts: 238
Location: US
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Conti Prestina Lever
Grinder: Versalab M3, Baratza Vario
Vac Pot: no vac, just pot
Drip: Post-Nasal
Posted Mon Jul 11, 2011, 6:31pm
Subject: Re: First time espresso buyer - $1000 budget
 

he must not have read your post closely - there is nothing within your budget that will cut it any better than a Vario.

The new Crossland, the Gaggia Baby, the Francis Francis and the La Pavoni Lusso are alternatives to the Silvia.

If you prefer the Silvia, skip the base and go for a PID instead.

Not sure how set your budget is, but do not forget to figure in a bunch of required accessories. Milk Pitcher, tamper, brushes, cups, 0.1 gram scales, maybe digital thermometer, etc.

Check the B/S/T forum, you might be able to score some really nice used equipment. The unstoppable 'upgraditis' will produce a lot of really nice deals.... i have my current setup from the B/S/T and I sold all my previous gear on it.....
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psychobrew
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Posted Mon Jul 11, 2011, 7:01pm
Subject: Re: First time espresso buyer - $1000 budget
 

Stiliketheblues Said:

What do u mean... the vario wont cut it?

Posted July 11, 2011 link

My fault.  The Vario is great.
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Stiliketheblues
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Joined: 9 Jan 2011
Posts: 28
Location: Manlius
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Bialetti
Grinder: Vario
Vac Pot: Aeropress
Drip: Zojirushi/Hario
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Mon Jul 11, 2011, 8:04pm
Subject: Re: First time espresso buyer - $1000 budget
 

elwood00 Said:

he must not have read your post closely - there is nothing within your budget that will cut it any better than a Vario.

The new Crossland, the Gaggia Baby, the Francis Francis and the La Pavoni Lusso are alternatives to the Silvia.

If you prefer the Silvia, skip the base and go for a PID instead.

Not sure how set your budget is, but do not forget to figure in a bunch of required accessories. Milk Pitcher, tamper, brushes, cups, 0.1 gram scales, maybe digital thermometer, etc.

Check the B/S/T forum, you might be able to score some really nice used equipment. The unstoppable 'upgraditis' will produce a lot of really nice deals.... i have my current setup from the B/S/T and I sold all my previous gear on it.....

Posted July 11, 2011 link

Forgive my ignorance, whats a PID?

The budget has been set arbitrarily. I am not really poor and have waited a while for this machine, but I have to draw the line somewhere... if I hear that a small increase in my budget will get me a huge jump in performance... I would be game.

I am looking for good performance, ease of working the machine, not too steep a learning curve and a dignified look in that order more or less.

As far as accessories go... I already have the pitcher.... but could use some recommendations for the rest of the gear, supplies. Also do I really need a scale. The vario appears to be very precise in its time based measurement? Oh what the hell... I will get a scale too...

Thanks to all who have replied till now..
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JtothaR
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Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Espresso: Faema D92/A1 Smart
Grinder: B VARIO, Krups Conic
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Roaster: Redbird, Metropolis
Posted Mon Jul 11, 2011, 10:17pm
Subject: Re: First time espresso buyer - $1000 budget
 

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Stiliketheblues Said:

if I hear that a small increase in my budget will get me a huge jump in performance... I would be game.

Posted July 11, 2011 link

It will.

Forget the PID and silvia...

Get one of these.

Click Here (www.1st-line.com)

-James

 
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Fred1
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Joined: 3 Sep 2004
Posts: 562
Location: Seattle
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Espresso: LaSpaziale S1 Mini Vivaldi...
Grinder: Mazzer Mini/NS MCF
Vac Pot: None
Drip: Chemex
Roaster: Hottop, FR+8
Posted Tue Jul 12, 2011, 7:05am
Subject: Re: First time espresso buyer - $1000 budget
 

With your budget you should go for a heat exchanger machine.  Prices start at about $1070.00 for a Nuova Simonelli Oscar and go up from there.  While the Silvia is a good machine, it pales when compared to even the least expensive of the HX models.  Ease of use, ability to pull shots and steam milk at the same time aare just a few of the advantages of the HX.

Fred
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JasonBrandtLewis
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JasonBrandtLewis
Joined: 9 Dec 2005
Posts: 6,368
Location: Berkeley, CA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
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Drip: CCD, Chemex
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Posted Tue Jul 12, 2011, 7:47am
Subject: Re: First time espresso buyer - $1000 budget
 

1)  The Baratza Vario is fine; no need to get another grinder.

2)  If you are serious about the $1,000 budget, you should seriously look underneath the sofa cushions and get the Bezzera BZ02S ($1,049.00) or the Bezzera BZ07 spm ($1,199.00).  Another option would be the Nuova Simonelli Oscar ($1,049.00).

3)  If, for some reason, you really want an SBDU machine rather than an HX, then I would save money, get the Le'Lit PL041QE ($429.00), and add a PID.

Cheers,
Jason

 
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Stiliketheblues
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Joined: 9 Jan 2011
Posts: 28
Location: Manlius
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Bialetti
Grinder: Vario
Vac Pot: Aeropress
Drip: Zojirushi/Hario
Roaster: Behmor 1600
Posted Tue Jul 12, 2011, 11:25am
Subject: Re: First time espresso buyer - $1000 budget
 

Fred1 Said:

With your budget you should go for a heat exchanger machine.  Prices start at about $1070.00 for a Nuova Simonelli Oscar and go up from there.  While the Silvia is a good machine, it pales when compared to even the least expensive of the HX models.  Ease of use, ability to pull shots and steam milk at the same time aare just a few of the advantages of the HX.

Fred

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Ability to pull shots and steam milk simulataneously seems  awesome!
I am definitely going for an HX unit then.
I also dont want to fiddle around with a PID mod on a Syl.

I would appreciate more recommendations for HX machines.
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