Posted Sat Jun 4, 2011, 3:16am Subject: Re: Crossland Coffee CC1 Espresso machine
penrod Said:
Whew... after all this back and forth I decided to do a definative taste test! So I watched the SCG video of the CC1 and tried to taste their espresso, then I watched the CC video of the silvano and tried to taste that shot... both times whwn I licked the monitor it was infererior to an espresso on my ponte vecchio. I expect this serves as definitive proof that espresso is better espresso than plastic and will significantly add to this conversation :)
Oh no!You cant do it that way!You have to find a Ponte vehcchio video on youtube and lick the monitor for equal comparison. Apple to apple comparison, remember?;P
jwoodyu Senior Member Joined: 31 Dec 2010 Posts: 704 Location: Michigan Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Sat Jun 4, 2011, 6:45am Subject: Re: Crossland Coffee CC1 Espresso machine
Really? Still?
You know those people that want to tell you how to raise your kids but have none of their own? That is how i feel when someone with a kitchen appliance tells me how the merits or dis-merits of my machine or how to use it.
hankua Senior Member Joined: 29 Aug 2009 Posts: 204 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Expertise: Just starting
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Posted Sat Jun 4, 2011, 6:48am Subject: Re: Crossland Coffee CC1 Espresso machine
Kudos for CC1 and B.Crossland! So what if he didn't build the CC1 from scratch. He has his name, reputation and probably a lot of money invested in the project. And if this first machine is successful, what about the future projects that might be perfect for geeks? He deserves a big round of applause!
"invented" is a big word for just a particular model machine "made" with more or less standard carachteristics, for sure B.C. part in including features wanted by the geek's audience is more important for making this machine worth a thread argument.....now if Bill is capable of coming out with his new machine, discussed in another thread, we will at last speak of INVENTION..... ciao, Pietro
Posted Sun Jun 5, 2011, 9:14am Subject: Re: Crossland Coffee CC1 Espresso machine
I think it is an interesting machine with a decent price point - it is nice to see a manufacturer trying to find a way to close the "features gap" between entry level and higher end machines - this same concept is going on in the grinder world too with the introduction of the Baratza Preciso.
Here is a link from this site to a recent interview with Bill Crossland:
Zdunk31 Senior Member Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Posts: 97 Location: Turnersville, NJ. Expertise: Just starting
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Posted Sun Jun 5, 2011, 11:38am Subject: Re: Crossland Coffee CC1 Espresso machine
EricBNC said,
I think it is an interesting machine with a decent price point - it is nice to see a manufacturer trying to find a way to close the "features gap" between entry level and higher end machines - this same concept is going on in the grinder world too with the introduction of the Baratza Preciso.
Couldn't have said it better myself, especially from someone at the entry level.
Dario_R Senior Member Joined: 15 May 2011 Posts: 20 Location: Portland, OR Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Sun Jun 12, 2011, 8:40pm Subject: Re: Crossland Coffee CC1 Espresso machine
Like others I'm waiting to see what some reviews look like. In the interest of getting a better handle on this machine and espresso machines in general, I have a few questions:
This machine has a boiler for espresso and the runs water from the boiler through a thermoblock to make steam, is this correct? Or does it run cold water through the thermoblock to make steam?
If the latter in #1, that means you cannot steam milk while making espresso, correct? If I steamed milk first would I then have to wait for the water to come back up to temp for my espresso shot? If so is the difference between this and an SBDU that it has shorter wait time. Or am I wrong and there is no wait time? No criticism implied - just seeking to understand.
Several here seem to think the PID as an important feature. I get the value of a PID in a DB machine - I'm not connecting the dots here on the value, esp if it has to come up to temp. Do you get more confidence that the temp is accurate?
Is the grouphead heated like an E61? Will a cooling shot be required? I see the "cooling shot" more as a stabilization shot - it should help get everything close to the same temp. True? If so, would it be better to measure the temp at the brewhead rather than the boiler? Or maybe to measure them both places so you know when the brew temp is equal to the boiler temp? (This q is not specific to this machine).
Silvano: Coffee Boiler 1000 watts Steam bank 600 watts
fairly certain the crossland has a thermoblock and not a steam boiler. Saw a demo unit and the steam did feel a bit weak, but I am used to steam boiler machines...
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