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protozoider
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Posted Mon Oct 27, 2008, 6:39am
Subject: Re: Breville 800ESXL, can it make a good shot?
 

arpi Said:

Protozoider, I've looked at the video and it looks like it comes out pouring really fast. I think the grind needs to be a lot finer than that, otherwise you'll get acid flavors.

Alicia, I think many people has just bought the Breville on sale including myself ;) I think it is unfair to judge the quality till you get a shot longer than about 20 seconds.  Good luck

Posted October 24, 2008 link

Yeah, I know it's pouring way too fast. I've seen videos of professionals and I know something is wrong with my brew. Unfortunately, I did try a finer grind. There are only two things that happen with the pressurized filter. Either it comes out like a waterfall, or nothing comes out at all. There is no such thing as the right grind with that filter. It always comes out tasting weak and bad. Now if I do the non-pressurized filter things are different. The problem is, the machine cannot maintain a consistent temperature. I've tried different tamps 30-50lbs. There were big differences to the pull but the flavor just never came out well because of the huge temperature fluctuation. The temperature fluctuates by almost 20 degrees and it never goes higher than 180 at any point in brewing. Everyone talks about this "fix" you can do, but you shouldn't have to. A machine this expensive should at least be capable of doing the standard things it takes to brew a shot. There are cheaper machines that are more capable than this one. I should be able to turn the thing on, grind, tamp, pull, and take my shot to go. Even if I do the same thing every time I get a completely different result.

Needless to say, I'm pretty sure I'll be ridding of this machine. To get the perfect pull is far more work than even the cheapo machines out there. Even then supposedly everyone says it won't taste as good as any other machine. I've tried everything. I tried so many different grinds in half steps from a professional machine. Even then the pull I got was not savory at all. It was bitter and sour with no flavor at all. Maybe at some point I'll get a better machine but I hate this thing. The amount of work that you need to put for a decent shot is ridiculous and even then it doesn't taste great.
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Posted Mon Oct 27, 2008, 12:09pm
Subject: Re: Breville 800ESXL, can it make a good shot?
 

Hi protozoider. Sorry to hear your story and your frustation. The final test is if it makes you happy. I don't know if it is the combination of the espresso machine paired with the grinder or a mater or luck. But to be honest and tell my story, I like the coffee I get. This is my first espresso machine and probably I need to learn what a good spresso is.

I do belive the story of others and they are more numerous. I hear you brother. I feel your pain and I wish you the best. Good luck.
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Posted Mon Oct 27, 2008, 9:11pm
Subject: Re: Breville 800ESXL, can it make a good shot?
 

protozoider Said:

Yeah, I know it's pouring way too fast. I've seen videos of professionals and I know something is wrong with my brew. Unfortunately, I did try a finer grind. There are only two things that happen with the pressurized filter. Either it comes out like a waterfall, or nothing comes out at all. There is no such thing as the right grind with that filter. It always comes out tasting weak and bad. Now if I do the non-pressurized filter things are different. The problem is, the machine cannot maintain a consistent temperature. I've tried different tamps 30-50lbs. There were big differences to the pull but the flavor just never came out well because of the huge temperature fluctuation. The temperature fluctuates by almost 20 degrees and it never goes higher than 180 at any point in brewing. Everyone talks about this "fix" you can do, but you shouldn't have to. A machine this expensive should at least be capable of doing the standard things it takes to brew a shot. There are cheaper machines that are more capable than this one. I should be able to turn the thing on, grind, tamp, pull, and take my shot to go. Even if I do the same thing every time I get a completely different result.

Needless to say, I'm pretty sure I'll be ridding of this machine. To get the perfect pull is far more work than even the cheapo machines out there. Even then supposedly everyone says it won't taste as good as any other machine. I've tried everything. I tried so many different grinds in half steps from a professional machine. Even then the pull I got was not savory at all. It was bitter and sour with no flavor at all. Maybe at some point I'll get a better machine but I hate this thing. The amount of work that you need to put for a decent shot is ridiculous and even then it doesn't taste great.

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 I understand you feelings...I was there.
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Posted Tue Oct 28, 2008, 5:14pm
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I would try to take it back. If you cant I would destroy it. Remember in that movie Office Space when they took that copier out to that field and beat the living snot out of it,something like that would do.There are few things worse in life than an advertised product that doesnt do what it claims.
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